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[Pseudonym]

I don't think it's the case here, wearing makeup (or not) seems pretty much the same in all groups as far as I can tell. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Wow, I'm in trouble then! :D If we ever get to meet, just remember that I have a pretty darn healthy self-esteem, no matter what you may think about my makeup!

There seem to be more factors, though* -- quantity of makeup, naturalness of the effect, social circles, etc. And you gotta take into account that I'm viewing the whole phenomenon as an outsider. I think some women look just fine in makeup, while others -- don't. But that's just my personal reaction. YMMV.

 

Tell ya what -- I won't mind that you wear makeup if you don't mind that I don't.

 

 

 

* for example, there's Max Factor), badda-boom.

[Fantasy Lover]

Not aimed at you FL, but just as an aside:

What gets me is the assumption that makeup is worn for men. When I have to do trade shows in the summer I'm sleeping in a campervan. I'll get up, get dressed, sort out whatever bizarreness my hair has formed in the night and then put my makeup on. And my sister-in-law (who never wears makeup) always, ALWAYS, has to comment on it. A comment I remember from last year was that I was 'prettying myself up for the customers.' Really gets my goat. I don't give a flying f*ck whether the customers think they I'm pretty or not. I do however like to make an effort to look nice, and I feel more put together when I am wearing makeup.

No offence taken, and I apologise for my ignorant and stupid presumption.

 

I don't get woman like that, you're just putting up makeup you're not going to flirt with the costumers or something.

[Pseudonym]

Plus our customers tend to be really old, I'd be horrified if they took a crack at me!  :P

[T.o.b.y]

Interesting... I feel no pressure either way regarding makeup. I think around here, it's expected in many professional settings (not mine though thank goodness) but otherwise nobody seems to care much.

 

It doesn't really affect my assessment of somebody's character either unless it's very extreme in some way.

 

I like watching "how to" makeup videos on YouTube now and then. It fascinates me how much of a difference some products and techniques seem to make on the face. It's almost an art form.

 

I want things like this to be truly optional with nobody being judged no matter how much or how little they use. Same goes for shaving btw. Or bras. Sigh... I remember when it was still acceptable in Germany not to shave your legs and I only had to do it when we visited the US. That was when I was about 15. By the time I was legally an adult, things had changed and girls were expected to remove all hair that didn't grow on their head. Now I have gotten so used to smooth legs that I feel uncomfortable when the hair grows back and shave for my own satisfaction.

[Pseudonym]

Honestly I don't know that there's that much judgement around here either - which is why it bugs me so much when someone pointedly comments on my putting makeup on like it's a big deal. Some people wear it, some people don't, whatever. I don't think I even take note that much unless someone is wearing something outrageous on their face or they suddenly look different. 

 

I don't shave my legs that often, I'm normally wearing jeans and since I'm single and live alone it's not like anyone knows how bad they look other than me. I prefer them shaved, but I'm also too lazy to do it that often. 

 

Something I hate that really freaks me out are long 'stiletto nails.' I hate long pointy nails, they look like they belong to a witch. A cashier in a shop had mustard yellow ones recently, how she could do anything with them I don't know, but it freaked me out so much. 

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

I want things like this to be truly optional with nobody being judged no matter how much or how little they use. Same goes for shaving btw. Or bras. Sigh... I remember when it was still acceptable in Germany not to shave your legs and I only had to do it when we visited the US. That was when I was about 15. By the time I was legally an adult, things had changed and girls were expected to remove all hair that didn't grow on their head. Now I have gotten so used to smooth legs that I feel uncomfortable when the hair grows back and shave for my own satisfaction.

 

Agreed that all of this is personal choice, and nobody should be pressured in any direction.  People will of course have opinions, though.

 

I was in Germany once, back when women were still walking around with hairy legs showing.  It didn't bother me (even though I wasn't used to it) except for the one gal I saw wearing nylon stockings over hairy legs.  Eeeww!  The hair (which was dark) was sort of plastered down by the nylons, so that it didn't look like normal hairy legs, nor did it look like normal (to me) legs in nylons.

 

Even during my rebellious phase, I would never have considered wearing nylons unless my legs were fairly well shaved.

[Pseudonym]

Lol, I remember my nan's legs being like that. She had never shaved her legs, I don't know if it was a generational thing or just her, and would then wear tights over it. 

[Fantasy Lover]

Something I hate that really freaks me out are long 'stiletto nails.' I hate long pointy nails, they look like they belong to a witch. A cashier in a shop had mustard yellow ones recently, how she could do anything with them I don't know, but it freaked me out so much.

It may be just me, but it looks like a mouth with teeth.

[Pseudonym]

I agree. Eurgh.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Shark teeth. (Aren't they the ones that point backwards, so that once they bite, their prey cannot pull free?)

[Pseudonym]

Yup, thems the gnashers!

[Van Buren Supernova]

Thanks for the answers.

I suppose it could be some kind of identity or like said, the way we control what we are.

 

For me, when I was much younger, I want to be 'normal' and do normal stuffs girls do. Dress pretty, make up, hairstyle, sexy clothing, bla..

Then I delayed them by milestone to milestone.

Okay if I change job I would totally change my appearance and style with fresh start instead of risking existing colleagues think someone eat my soul and animate me.

Okay when I get married I would dress sexy for hubby.

When I start working I would put proper make-up like what everyone does.

 

But apparently, I can't change at all. I needed help applying lipstick and ate it all before I reached subway. Sexy clothes is uncomfortable as there is no way I could jump over furniture or do stuffs without having wardrobe malfunctions and I barely stand small talks, and personally I frigging can't stand useless pretty things, no offence ladies, I hate ladies stuff tbh.

 

Handbags that barely hold anything.

Shoes I can't run or walk properly without dreaming of taking whole feet off.

Shallow pocket in the jeans, and no pockets for dress.

Flimsy dress that barrier between good to look at and lost dignity is merely a strap.

 

So yah, I guess everyone is comfortable in own style and I like Carol's phrase: I won't mind that you wear makeup if you don't mind that I don't. :p

[Pseudonym]

It's a weird one, but I hate noisy shoes (sorry Arcadia, back to shoes), the ones that clip clop when you walk. That's why I pretty much live in boots, I like to ninja about and no one can hear me coming. 

[Shadow Dweller]

[grins] I am siding with Toby this time, wear make-up only when in professional setting (read: face powder, tinted lipgloss) and for the rest I prefers to be free from chemical gunk.

[Fantasy Lover]

 

 

It's a weird one, but I hate noisy shoes (sorry Arcadia, back to shoes), the ones that clip clop when you walk. That's why I pretty much live in boots, I like to ninja about and no one can hear me coming.

that reminds me, I have to buy new winter shoes *groans* I hate shopping.

[Pseudonym]

Do it online, I never go shopping in person. I get stressed by having too many people around me.

[Carol the Dabbler]

There's only one brand of shoes that I dare to buy online, because I know what size to get. Other brands vary so much that I really need to try them on.

[Pseudonym]

I'm a half size so I always have to go for the one slightly too big and wear thick socks.

[Arcadia]

 

3. Like you said it's an armour, and I like don't like coming across as weak or vulnerable so I don't wear it. 4. I'm not going to wear it because society wants me to.

 

Perhaps I shouldn't keep this going, but genuinely curious.  (You don't have to answer this if you don't want.)

 

Do you look at women wearing makeup and think that they are weak and vulnerable?

I don't think makeup or lack thereof is the deciding factor there, no. I think I judge more by their body language; do they appear to be comfortable in [whatever their situation is].

 

What messages do you get from society that makes you think you are supposed to wear makeup?  I ask this because I feel like there is a lot of pressure to *not* wear makeup, and that doing so is a bit of a rebellious act.  Could be a geographical thing.

 

 

Two things, initially. My mother will not leave the house without putting on makeup, and when I was a teenager, that seemed to be all that the other girls were interested in. So I grew up thinking makeup was something women "had" to do whether they wanted to or not.

 

But I resisted makeup from the start, I don't like the way it feels on my skin and I don't like taking the time to fool with it. But I will if I think I'm going into a situation where I think I'll stand out too much if I don't wear it, such as an art show opening or an awards function. And every time I do wear makeup, there is always, always someone who comments that I should wear it more often. So the pressure is still there from people who think women should look the best they can, instead of looking the way they look. I'm old enough now that I can shrug it off, but it used to hurt.

 

 

There seem to be more factors, though* -- ......

 

 

* for example, there's Max Factor), badda-boom.

 

 

Thanks for the answers.

I suppose it could be some kind of identity or like said, the way we control what we are.

 

For me, when I was much younger, I want to be 'normal' and do normal stuffs girls do. Dress pretty, make up, hairstyle, sexy clothing, bla..

Then I delayed them by milestone to milestone.

Okay if I change job I would totally change my appearance and style with fresh start instead of risking existing colleagues think someone eat my soul and animate me.

Okay when I get married I would dress sexy for hubby.

When I start working I would put proper make-up like what everyone does.

 

But apparently, I can't change at all. I needed help applying lipstick and ate it all before I reached subway. Sexy clothes is uncomfortable as there is no way I could jump over furniture or do stuffs without having wardrobe malfunctions and I barely stand small talks, and personally I frigging can't stand useless pretty things, no offence ladies, I hate ladies stuff tbh.

 

Handbags that barely hold anything.

Shoes I can't run or walk properly without dreaming of taking whole feet off.

Shallow pocket in the jeans, and no pockets for dress.

Flimsy dress that barrier between good to look at and lost dignity is merely a strap.

 

So yah, I guess everyone is comfortable in own style and I like Carol's phrase: I won't mind that you wear makeup if you don't mind that I don't. :P

 

Yup. All that. Except that I never wanted to do the "normal" stuff, I found every way I could to avoid it. Partly because as soon as I tried it, I discovered I sucked at it. Lipstick, especially, seemed pointless; I chewed it all off before I ever got where I was going. Someone always critiqued whatever makeup or fancy clothing I tried to do. And frankly, I think I look better in jeans than I do about anything else, because they hide my stubby legs, and with the right fit, make me look taller (aka, normal sized. ) I don't mind wearing "sexy" tops, though, as long as it's a fabric that doesn't make me itch. And isn't frilly; I don't like frilly. Don't know why; doesn't bother me on other people. But can't stand it on me.

 

It's a weird one, but I hate noisy shoes (sorry Arcadia, back to shoes), the ones that clip clop when you walk. That's why I pretty much live in boots, I like to ninja about and no one can hear me coming.

Look what you've started!

[Van Buren Supernova]

Everyone around me was 'normal' :D. The pressure to be proper girl was insane and soon I was judged by my failure to do so. But eventually they gave up. I have to admit I did it mostly for my mom. Eventhough we were poor and couldn't afford good stuff, she always made beautiful dresses for me yearly when I was a girl, we both would design it and she would sew it herself. They were the best and much better than other costly dresses out there and I kept it until we had to move far away. She made me dresses that I wore for weddings and parties when I was adult as well, and I do wear them for special occasions. Even now, I still appreciate her dresses whenever the situation is suitable. She also makes wallets, bags for me which I love since we got to design them ourselves.

 

 

Anyway, NOW I want to use my measly time to be judgemental before burying myself into thankless works.

 

Regarding the nail, good god I can't understand those long-nailed record holder who pose for picture with their freakish long nails and dead-eyes handlers.

Eek..

Why would anyone, able-bodied, voluntary make themselves useless in many ways? Why would anyone disable the ability to wipe their own a**? And be honest, it's not a pretty sight, for a what.. record?? Yikes. Thank you very much. Hands are for working, doing something useful. Cut those craps.

 

While I'm on judgemental mode, similar note, I have to admit I despise smokers. I can't understand why anyone willingly do something that they know it's harmful to your body. It's stupid and unattractive. Health is hardly appreciated until you lose it.

Alright, it's personal right and I don't have more problem if that is your choice. Your body, yours.

But I have problems when they smoke at private or public places near the vicinity of others. I don't think you want to suck my breath too. And it's totally not okay if one has health problem caused by other's idiocy.

 

Right.

That's for today.

 

 

P.S.

Only this time Arcadia.

Don't think for one second I forget about shoes.

[Arcadia]

And here I was, waiting for the, er, other shoe to drop .... Ah har har har ......

[T.o.b.y]

I don't like it when people smoke in public places either and I have never understood the appeal of that particular habit in real life.

 

In fiction however, I think smoking totally has its place. I get annoyed when cigarettes are censored and as far as I am concerned, Sherlock would have been welcome to have as many as he wanted on the show.

[Pseudonym]

Oh God, those long spirally nails are really horrific. I want to go at them with gardening shears. 

 

I don't like smoking either. I remember coming home from pubs and clubs reeking of smoke, but it's banned inside now. 

 

I can't wear dresses, I'm too stubby. 

[Fantasy Lover]

Do it online, I never go shopping in person. I get stressed by having too many people around me.

No, thank you! I tried it out once, I ordered six things: I brought three t-shirts and three cardigans, I only kept two cardigans and returned the others. Apparently, they were a different kind of t-shirt than I usually buy because they were too big. As for the cardigan, I don't know why but whenever I try on a white t-shirt, cardigan or tank top it's a bit see-through which is incredibly annoying.

 

I agree with all of you, smoking is useless and expensive. I started hating it because my father smokes, sometimes with me in the room! I didn't mind it when my grandfather smoked though, maybe because he smoked sigars and not cigarettes.