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[SherlockedCAMPer]

Series 3 was end of January here was my understanding and beginning of January for the UK.

[sittything]

You mean I have to add 3-4 weeks to my mental timeline?

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Yep, unfortunately so.

[Arcadia]

I'd give a lot to know the context of this moment.... and to see the rest of the clip!

 

 

Don't do that to me, Arcadia, don't do that! Not good! I'm sitting here, shocked and trembling, telling me that this is only a fan trailer and that it won't come true!

It's a fan trailer, but that doesn't mean it won't come true! Bwa hahahahaha...... 

 

Seriously?! Aaaahhhhhhhhh the emotions & the excitement. Must be patient especially with that date being UK not US more than likely.

You lot. Next time, I'm putting a disclaimer on these things.... NOT.

 

My memory is S3 aired in the US about 3 weeks after it aired in the UK, I don't know about the other seasons. I would say it's so PBS could edit it for American, uh, "standards", except I don't remember any edits in the American version of S3. Oh; they may have edited "you cock" out of TEH. Can't remember, it's been so long since I've watched anything except my beloved DVDs.....

[Arcadia]

By the way, that last shot in the video? That's the fandom after viewing it....

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I re-watched the trailer and saw that it was indeed fandom as the credits were for TBB.

[Carol the Dabbler]

... I will be really, really, really surprised if they even introduce a 3rd brother, at least a live 3rd brother.  Maybe we'll get the backstory on the other brother? The context of the conversation and the way Mycroft says "Don't be absurd. I'm not given to outbursts of brotherly compassion. You know what happened to the other one" leads me to believe the "other one" is deceased given that Mycroft is basically sending Sherlock off to his death.

Maybe Mycroft shipped off the Other One, just like how he was going to with Sherlock!

Yup, I'm thinking either Mycroft refused to save "the other one" from death, confinement, or exile -- or he actually sent him off to same. But as for the details, I'm not sure I even want to think about it. Could give myself all sorts of nightmares, and end up not being anywhere close. 

 

My memory is S3 aired in the US about 3 weeks after it aired in the UK, I don't know about the other seasons. I would say it's so PBS could edit it for American, uh, "standards", except I don't remember any edits in the American version of S3. Oh; they may have edited "you cock" out of TEH. Can't remember, it's been so long since I've watched anything except my beloved DVDs.....

I believe the two-or-three-week delay was due to simple logistics -- getting the physical copy of the program from Point A to Point B, then getting everything set up at Point B. I don't believe they edited anything out this time -- to the best of my recollection, they left in Sherlock and John's joint "F-cough." (As well as Sherlock's under-the-breath expletive during the motorcycle ride.) The only thing I'm thinking they might have edited was the closing credits, so they could use their own version again. I'm curious myself, so if I had a DVR, I'd check. But I don't.

 

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

Well, on Netflix, they cut the little bit at the beginning of HLV, where you can hear Sherlock and Janine splashing together in the bath.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

How do I not remember this. Will have to watch the Netflix version at least long enough for that.

 

However I do like the lines john has with both Janine before that point and Sherlock after.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Just double checked Netflix and the water splashing is in there. It's possible that if Netflix had an edited version that enough people requested it be out back.

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

Good, because if it had stayed edited out, there'd probably be a big stink about Americans and censorship.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I doubt that any source other than broadcast TV would cut any scenes at all.  It's extra work, plus people would be likely to complain.  The only reason broadcast TV (such as PBS) cuts or bleeps scenes is that the government doesn't allow them to include certain things.

 

[jesskayding]

Love the snow flakes! Hate Breaking Bad!! Sherlock I'm back!

[Carol the Dabbler]

Hey, Jess -- I've been wondering where you'd wandered off to.     Welcome back!

 

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

Hey, Jess! You're alive! :D

[Schlauer Fuchs]

Love the snow flakes! Hate Breaking Bad!! Sherlock I'm back!

 

Agree to 1, wonder why 2 (why?) and am glad that 3!

 

[T.o.b.y]

Taking this here because it was in the Janine-thread and I have a not-Janine-related question about it:

 

 

Bleh -- I hate traditional dating.  Bet Janine does too!

Thank you, thank you, thank you .... I always hated "traditional" dating, I can't even begin to say how much. But you're the first person I've seen say the same thing. Yay, I'm not alone!!!! Take that, my "normal" friends! :D

 

 

What exactly is traditional dating? As opposed to non-traditional dating? I mean, I have some idea what makes a meeting between two people a date, but that's about it.

 

I think "dating" per se is not a concept Germans are familiar with, apart from what they see in American films. There isn't really a German word for it. I mean, there's "Verabredung", but that only means you've agreed to meet someone someplace, be it for romantic, friendly or business purposes. Not the same thing as a date, right?

[Ruthyone]

I am not  sure I like the Christmas Benedict pic - he looks like he's catching flies!!!

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Taking this here because it was in the Janine-thread and I have a not-Janine-related question about it:

 

 

Bleh -- I hate traditional dating. Bet Janine does too!

Thank you, thank you, thank you .... I always hated "traditional" dating, I can't even begin to say how much. But you're the first person I've seen say the same thing. Yay, I'm not alone!!!! Take that, my "normal" friends! :D

What exactly is traditional dating? As opposed to non-traditional dating? I mean, I have some idea what makes a meeting between two people a date, but that's about it.

 

I think "dating" per se is not a concept Germans are familiar with, apart from what they see in American films. There isn't really a German word for it. I mean, there's "Verabredung", but that only means you've agreed to meet someone someplace, be it for romantic, friendly or business purposes. Not the same thing as a date, right?

What I'd consider a traditional dating is a guy & a girl meet or 1 picks up the other and they go out to dinner/make dinner at home, watch a movie, attend a concert/theater production, or a walk on the beach/around a park etc. and in this modern day may also include eventually jumping into bed before getting married.

 

Non-traditional would include what Sherlock & Molly did in TEH, or the hockey game I went to on my first date (& I married that guy just over a year later).

[Carol the Dabbler]

While the hockey game was an unusual choice for a date, it could still fit the traditional paradigm.  I agree with the rest of what you said, though -- to me, "traditional" implies all or most of the following:

 

1.  Heterosexual couple

2.  Time and activity agreed upon ahead of time

3.  He picks her up and also takes her home at the end of the evening

4.  He pays for everything (unless she fixes dinner or snacks)

 

As for "non-traditional" or "non-date" -- that could include any number of things.  For example:

 

1.  Two people just happen to encounter each other and spontaneously decide to do something together.

2.  A group of people agree to do something together, with no specific couples designated.

3.  Each person pays their own way (which usually implies that there's no romantic interest).

4.  Two people agree to attend some event together simply because they were each going anyhow.

5.  The two people agree that it's "not a date" or that they're "just friends."

 

[Schlauer Fuchs]

What I associate with "dating" (I'd agree with Toby that there is nothing like "traditional dating" in Germany) is the idea of two people who are more or less strangers but could become a couple meeting somewhere and doing something just for the purpose of checking each other out. And I hate that kind of date. I suppose I live too much in a Disney world (but hey, it works!).

 

actually I watched this video some days ago: a comparison of dating in the US and Germany. Just if anyone is interested (I love such videos that compare aspects of different cultures).

 

 

4.  He pays for everything (unless she fixes dinner or snacks)

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3.  Each person pays their own way (which usually implies that there's no romantic interest).

 

oh, how I hate that "tradition". I always insist to pay my own bill because I don't want to fleece the guys I'm dating. I would feel totally weak and unemancipated if I allowed my date to pay my bill. I once had a date that went really well until I explained that I prefer to pay my own food bill. That really upset him which then upset me and it was pretty much the end of the date.

[T.o.b.y]

:lol: By all I've heard about the subject so far, the most "date like" evenings I've had have been with my father. Well-behaved gentleman picks me up, takes me to nice restaurant, hangs up my coat, is very entertaining over dinner, pays for both our food and brings me back home - yeah, that's my dad! Now I wonder whether my parents "date" dated when they were young. Got to ask them. If so, it was probably very nice.

 

I'm not fussy about paying the bill, but then, I've never gone out with anyone whom I didn't know pretty well already, so I guess that's less awkward. And when going out with my husband, it doesn't matter either way, because it's all our money, anyways... Before we were married, we agreed in advance who would pay for both (usually the one who was more affluent at the time, which changed a lot), because we're both old-fashioned, romantic fools who don't like paying separately.

 

Have you ever seen a woman hand her male companion her purse under the table in a restaurant? I have several times, and it always makes me laugh. I'd feel like such an idiot if I were the guy!

 

Traditional dating doesn't sound so bad, the way you describe it. I like being treated like the lady I'm not once in a  while. What I can't imagine is doing something one on one with a comparative stranger with the more or less silent understanding that the evening will end in sex. Not that I'm prude, mind you, just very shy, and it would feel like a hell of a lot of pressure, plus if the person spent money on me, too, I'd probably feel as if I was prostituting myself or something. :P

[Schlauer Fuchs]

I agree, if it's your boyfriend or husband, it's a completely different thing if he pays your bill. I had some dates with more or less strangers - not many though (you could count them on the fingers of one hand), because I hate this feeling that the other person is not really interested in me as a person but only in me as a potential girlfriend. I'm a romantic plus an introvert, so I usually want to know guys I meet on friendship level before I agree to have a (German style) date (= meaning just spending some time together and seeing how you get on; less formal and less purposeful than an American date, I think). I have no problem with joined bills if I know the other person and know that some other time I'll be the one to pay the bill. But to let someone I barely know pay my bills because he is a man and I am a woman... sorry, I can't stand that thought, that's humiliating (no, I'm not exaggerating, that's how I feel. Heck, it's the 21st century. Sorry for swearing).

 

And I totally agree about sex on the first date, there's no way I could do that. Far too shy for that and also... well, one may call it prude, but sex means something to me that I wouldn't want to share with any random person even if I wasn't too shy to go for it anyway.

[T.o.b.y]

 

actually I watched this video some days ago: a comparison of dating in the US and Germany. Just if anyone is interested (I love such videos that compare aspects of different cultures).

 

Thanks for the link, I enjoyed watching that. I agree that in Germany, it's often get to know one another first and then go out together, instead of date a person to get to know him / her as a potential romantic partner - "like a job interview", as these guys put it. Also, I know of no example where a German boy picks up his date at her parents' house, probably because over here, teenagers can't drive.

 

Judging by the conversations I overheard in school, people seemed to meet either through friends, like a birthday parties and such, or at discos. You can go to those way before you can drive a car over here, and the rules on alcohol are also less strict. When I went to school, there was even a smoking corner of the school yard, and not just for teachers. And that isn't so very, very long ago...

 

I like to think of myself as a pretty independent woman, and I wouldn't be best pleased if a guy tried to run my life or was paid more for the same work that I do. But when it comes to the little everyday niceties, I have to admit I enjoy a bit of sexist old-fashioned politeness. I'd never expect a man to hold a door open for me, of buy my coffee, but I sure wouldn't be offended, either.

 

So, this whole ramble started with someone saying that traditional dating his awful. Now I wonder: why?

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

What I associate with "dating" (I'd agree with Toby that there is nothing like "traditional dating" in Germany) is the idea of two people who are more or less strangers but could become a couple meeting somewhere and doing something just for the purpose of checking each other out.

That's called a "blind date" here, and everyone hates them. But they're one way to meet new people, of course, which is why they exist.

 

I always insist to pay my own bill because I don't want to fleece the guys I'm dating. I would feel totally weak and unemancipated if I allowed my date to pay my bill. I once had a date that went really well until I explained that I prefer to pay my own food bill. That really upset him which then upset me and it was pretty much the end of the date.

The worst aspect of the "guy pays" tradition is that some men figure this means you owe them something in return (and I don't mean a home-cooked dinner). That expectation can be particularly awkward to deal with (and particularly infuriating) on a blind date.

  

I usually want to know guys I meet on friendship level before I agree to have a (German style) date (= meaning just spending some time together and seeing how you get on; less formal and less purposeful than an American date, I think).

That sounds like a pretty normal date here, too, just not a formal date. I like the informal kind a whole lot better myself. In fact, maybe I should have said "I hate formal dating" in the first place.

 

Heck, it's the 21st century. Sorry for swearing).

Maybe you're joking, but "heck" isn't actually swearing, it's fake swearing (a euphemism for "hell"). I do know a (very) few people who won't say it because it's a stand-in for swearing, but in general it's considered an innocuous term.

 

I know of no example where a German boy picks up his date at her parents' house, probably because over here, teenagers can't drive.

When I was a teen (which has been a while!), my boyfriend's mother would drive him to my house to pick me up, or else he'd take the bus to my house.

 

What do German teens do, meet at the movies / restaurant / party / whatever?