Crazy Series 4 Rumours

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Here's my latest crazy speculation: 1) we find out who Mycroft was referring to when he mentions "you know what happened to the other 1."

2) TheImprobableOne from John's & Sherlock's sites gets revealed some how

3)Moriarty returns.  He somehow survived blowing his brains out.

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

The Other One is TheImprobableOne!

[Arcadia]

This is starting to make me dizzy....

[SherlockedCAMPer]

This is starting to make me dizzy....

 

Welcome to the fandom where we have odd discussions about odd things that are somehow very related to said object we are a fandom of.  In this case, Sherlock Holmes as visualized by Steve Moffat & Mark Gatiss (collectively & somewhat lovingly [or loathing-ly at times] referred to as Moftiss) and crew.  You will not find anything to help you with any dizziness or other ill feelings as that would not be the Moftiss way of doing things. [Then proceed to ramble Gene Wilder's (as Willy Wonka) reading of the contract in his version of the chocolate factory just because and apply changing all references of food/candy to Sherlock Holmes.] :D

[SherlockedCAMPer]

During an interview about Series 4 Moftiss (or Benedict, especially as Sherlock, because that would be just as funny) read a contract of sorts regarding the fandom.  The contract is in the style of the contract from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory starring Gene Wilder complete with the "Et cetera, et cetera" and is more or less total nonsense.  It would include wording about causing feels but are not directly responsible for them or what we do as a result of the feels and related items to what we as the fandom do and discuss regarding the show.  It would be epically brilliant.  Could be a great press stunt or something.  Just thought of how it could be done (although harder to do on location with the setlock thing): Sherlock (with Watson by his side just because) standing outside 221B reading the contract while talking with the press. 

[sittything]

Whatever....that picture is totally Sherrinford.

[Arcadia]

Whatever....that picture is totally Sherrinford.

He's even dressed like him. ;)

[MrsMiggins]

I just hope Mary dies....

 

Preferably because John kills her

I bet he finds out what info was on that USB and it's something really personal to him and he goes mad and kills her.

 

It's not that I don't like the actress, but I find her such an annoying character to have hanging around she doesn't bring much to the plot and it feels as though her past has just been invented to make her more interesting.

also it really annoyed me that sherlock lost it and killed Magnussen (sp?) Simply because he had intel on Mary.

I mean why did sherlock care so much??

[MrsMiggins]

Oh, my other half has a theory that moriaty had a fake gun, was shot with a paintball to the back of the head and waited till sherlock jumped before making his escape.

 

Personally I disagree, I reckon he's found some way to ensure that if sherlock didn't jump, it would trigger a group of people to continue moriatys hate campaign against him.

hence why moriaty hasn't appeared while sherlock was 'dead'

[Carol the Dabbler]

I just hope Mary dies....

 

Preferably because John kills her

Well, that'd be different! I would say how could they, because that would be totally opposite to the canon John -- but that's what I said about Mary. So I'll just say, I hope not, partly because I don't think John could live with that, partly because I'm not sure that I could.

[MrsMiggins]

 

I just hope Mary dies....

 

Preferably because John kills her

Well, that'd be different! I would say how could they, because that would be totally opposite to the canon John -- but that's what I said about Mary. So I'll just say, I hope not, partly because I don't think John could live with that, partly because I'm not sure that I could.

Yes it does seem contrary to his character, but we have seen snippets of his temper (shouting about his leg in the first episode, sherlock in a headlock etc)

 

It would have to be something monumental to provoke him into killing her. But it could be done ;-)

 

I want to see John's anger

[Carol the Dabbler]

I enjoy (if that's the right word) seeing John angry, and I don't mind seeing him kill someone if the situation warrants it -- but I would not want to see him kill anyone in anger, because if he did, then 1] he'd be fairly likely to have misjudged the person and/or the situation, and therefore 2] he'd probably experience massive guilt later, and might very well 3] be sent to prison.  I'd hate to see John go through anything like that, and I don't see why he should, because I don't think he's actually like that.  A soldier can't just shoot a gun because he's angry, he's trained to shoot only for cause.

 

[T.o.b.y]

I just hope Mary dies....

Preferably because John kills her

 

What?! Why would you want to see that? John murdering his own wife, his one true love? Wow, that's too dark even for  my morbid standards!

 

I can't quite decide whether I want Mary to leave the stage, so to speak, at some point or no. On the one hand, I'd like them to follow the original story, in which she is definitely gone when Holmes returns, but it's never explicitly said that she's dead. Part of me wants the boys back together at Baker St, and wants Sherlock to buy John out of his practice secretly via Dr Verner (see the beginning of "The Norwood Builder", this is not some creative shipper's fantasy, I swear). On the other hand, I'd feel so sorry for John if he lost Mary. The original Dr Watson's love for his wife was not very compelling for the reader, and I couldn't have cared less for the original Miss Morstan. She was boring, and I got the impression that she was written in to sell more books and to prove some kind of a point. But in this version, it seems to me that Mary is really the love of John's life. They are both very real to me, separately and as a couple. They belong together, the way only fictional characters can. They were made for each other. It would hurt to see them torn apart, and while I'm not quite sure whether I like Mary or not, I definitely like John and his loss would break my heart. I'd also feel sorry for her (I already feel sorry for her).

 

Also, I would hate it if they killed her, and a lot of people would cheer. They haven't exactly made it easy for the audience to like poor Mary. Some were set against her from the beginning, and others were alienated by the events of His Last Vow, both of which I find understandable. If they do something bad to her now, who would be left to mourn her? How would that work as a tragedy? Not at all. It'd be like a villain death, and Mary is not a villain. She's supposed to be one of the "good guys", or what passes for good guys in Sherlock, anyway.

 

If they kill Mary, they have to make everybody like her first. Or at least almost everybody. Seems impossible, so they should just leave it alone, in my humble opinion.

 

I'm almost willing to bet someone that Mary won't die, by the way. Because that would be way too predictable, and besides I have a feeling the creative team loves her way too much to let her go.

 

I mean why did sherlock care so much??

 

Well, Mary is John's wife. I think we all agree Sherlock cares about John, no? Besides, it did seem as if Sherlock and Mary had become friends, too, and he's just not the kind of guy to let a little bullet hole in his chest stand in the way of that.

 

Besides, I still maintain Sherlock would have killed Magnussen eventually anyway, because it was the only solution, really. The vaults had to be destroyed, and the vaults were inside Magnussen's brain, so driving him nuts or shooting him in the head would have been the alternatives, and compared to debilitating insanity, I actually think the head shot could be considered more humane.

[MrsMiggins]

 

 

I just hope Mary dies....

Preferably because John kills her

What?! Why would you want to see that? John murdering his own wife, his one true love? Wow, that's too dark even for my morbid standards!

 

I can't quite decide whether I want Mary to leave the stage, so to speak, at some point or no. On the one hand, I'd like them to follow the original story, in which she is definitely gone when Holmes returns, but it's never explicitly said that she's dead. Part of me wants the boys back together at Baker St, and wants Sherlock to buy John out of his practice secretly via Dr Verner (see the beginning of "The Norwood Builder", this is not some creative shipper's fantasy, I swear). On the other hand, I'd feel so sorry for John if he lost Mary. The original Dr Watson's love for his wife was not very compelling for the reader, and I couldn't have cared less for the original Miss Morstan. She was boring, and I got the impression that she was written in to sell more books and to prove some kind of a point. But in this version, it seems to me that Mary is really the love of John's life. They are both very real to me, separately and as a couple. They belong together, the way only fictional characters can. They were made for each other. It would hurt to see them torn apart, and while I'm not quite sure whether I like Mary or not, I definitely like John and his loss would break my heart. I'd also feel sorry for her (I already feel sorry for her).

 

Also, I would hate it if they killed her, and a lot of people would cheer. They haven't exactly made it easy for the audience to like poor Mary. Some were set against her from the beginning, and others were alienated by the events of His Last Vow, both of which I find understandable. If they do something bad to her now, who would be left to mourn her? How would that work as a tragedy? Not at all. It'd be like a villain death, and Mary is not a villain. She's supposed to be one of the "good guys", or what passes for good guys in Sherlock, anyway.

 

If they kill Mary, they have to make everybody like her first. Or at least almost everybody. Seems impossible, so they should just leave it alone, in my humble opinion.

 

I'm almost willing to bet someone that Mary won't die, by the way. Because that would be way too predictable, and besides I have a feeling the creative team loves her way too much to let her go.

I mean why did sherlock care so much??

Well, Mary is John's wife. I think we all agree Sherlock cares about John, no? Besides, it did seem as if Sherlock and Mary had become friends, too, and he's just not the kind of guy to let a little bullet hole in his chest stand in the way of that.

 

Besides, I still maintain Sherlock would have killed Magnussen eventually anyway, because it was the only solution, really. The vaults had to be destroyed, and the vaults were inside Magnussen's brain, so driving him nuts or shooting him in the head would have been the alternatives, and compared to debilitating insanity, I actually think the head shot could be considered more humane.

I agree that the creative team seem to love Mary...

 

As romantic and lovely as it would be, true loves don't exist. She isn't his true love, because she was false from the beginning.

He shows this with his unwilling to look into her past.

He loves the Mary he thinks he knows and he doesn't want to taint that with the truth.

 

...yet if the truth came out and it was terrifying enough I think he could turn on her....

[T.o.b.y]

As romantic and lovely as it would be, true loves don't exist.

 

In real life, I completely agree with you. But in fiction, it does! (What else is fiction for? :P)

 

You are right about John, there, though. About him not being willing to accept her the way she really is and seeming to love an idea of Mary as "Mrs Watson" rather than the whole person. I doubt this is what the writers intended, I think they just wanted to show us how magnanimous and forgiving John is, but I got the same impression, and that is why I really feel sorry for Mary. Because I believe she loves John as John. Her love may be selfish or may not be, but it's love all right (or else her story makes no sense to me). No wonder she held on to her fake persona for so long. She was afraid to loose him, and remember, there is nothing in this world she would not do to stop that from happening. That, by the way, is the darkest line I have heard for a long time, and I love it. I love how she says that, with a gun in her hand and that look on her face. That is so twisted and scary and yet very romantic in an old-fashioned, unhealthy, impossible way.

 

Ahh, love in Sherlock... Always a fascinating subject!

 

 

[MrsMiggins]

Oh yes there is no doubt she loves John, it is good to watch :-D

 

I won't be devastated if she hangs around. I would just feel better if I knew her past (and John did too) and then could embrace her as a character rather than a plot twist.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Also, I would hate it if they killed her, and a lot of people would cheer. They haven't exactly made it easy for the audience to like poor Mary. Some were set against her from the beginning, and others were alienated by the events of His Last Vow, both of which I find understandable. If they do something bad to her now, who would be left to mourn her? How would that work as a tragedy?

A number of people were actually set against her from before the beginning -- before the character was even announced, just because they figured she was bound to show up eventually, and they assumed she'd mess something up and/or they were determined to see her exit quickly just because the canon Mary was never much in evidence and eventually departed. (For example, see the Mary Morstan thread, which was started in August of 2012.)  And once the character was actually announced, things got really interesting!

 

I would just feel better if I knew her past (and John did too) and then could embrace her as a character rather than a plot twist.

You and I can certainly agree on that point!

 

[T.o.b.y]

I'm taking this here for reasons that should be obvious:

 

Someone threw out a hilarious, and truly diabolical theory if it was true, that maybe they're dressing everyone in Victorian garb just to go to set and then changing.  I don't think they'd waste the time doing all that with so many people to throw us all off, but man if it were true!

 

 

I wouldn't put it past them, come to think of it. Sounds very unlikely for a whole crew to go to so much trouble, but it would be a fantastic joke. I wouldn't be the least bit mad if were true, either, all I'd want would be some lovely photos I can use for my copy of the original stories. Honestly, the illustrations in there are so awful, and the Sherlock cast look a lot more like I always imagined the original characters. I've wanted pics of Sherlock and John in period clothing ever since I first saw the series 3 mustache.

[Carol the Dabbler]

... I've wanted pics of Sherlock and John in period clothing ever since I first saw the series 3 mustache.

 

Glad to know I'm not the only one!  Actually, I've had those thoughts even longer, since seeing Martin Freeman in costume a couple of years ago for a guest appearance on Mr. Selfridge:

 

[sfmpco]

And now, holy mackerel of all plot twists (because I'm broody from the announcement today)... what if Irene returns in S4 with Sherlock's child?  

[sittything]

And now, holy mackerel of all plot twists (because I'm broody from the announcement today)... what if Irene returns in S4 with Sherlock's child?  

 

[sittything]

I'm still not ready for Baby Watson.  

[T.o.b.y]

And now, holy mackerel of all plot twists (because I'm broody from the announcement today)... what if Irene returns in S4 with Sherlock's child? 

 

... then I will assume she meant to get pregnant, that's for sure. Nobody can tell me Irene would be stupid enough not to make sure her intimate encounters don't have any long-lasting effects on herself.

 

Where did that one come from, by the way? It should go in the crazy rumors thread. I am superstitious about the crazy rumors thread, I have an irrational belief that everything we stock away there won't actually happen.

[sfmpco]

LOL.  Sorry.  I just had to say it.

[sfmpco]

 

And now, holy mackerel of all plot twists (because I'm broody from the announcement today)... what if Irene returns in S4 with Sherlock's child? 

 

... then I will assume she meant to get pregnant, that's for sure. Nobody can tell me Irene would be stupid enough not to make sure her intimate encounters don't have any long-lasting effects on herself.

 

Where did that one come from, by the way? It should go in the crazy rumors thread. I am superstitious about the crazy rumors thread, I have an irrational belief that everything we stock away there won't actually happen.

 

 

Then again, they were in Karachi, and neither were likely carrying protection...... but it's funny because it would just totally burst Sherlock's life bubble... and probably would do a number on Irene's lifestyle as well.  And I don't even ship Adlock.