SPOILERS! Series 4 Setlock

[Carol the Dabbler]

More than likely, sure.

[sfmpco]

Nick Hurran is returning to direct episode #2, which I would think should start filming in a week or so.

[sfmpco]

I wonder if at the beginning of the 1st episode if Sherlock will still be high.    If he is high, will he detox a bit before he tries to go after  "Moriarty"?  Because he had just over-dosed in TAB

[Carol the Dabbler]

I wonder if at the beginning of the 1st episode if Sherlock will still be high. If he is high, will he detox a bit before he tries to go after "Moriarty"?

If he doesn't, then "Moriarty" better be very careful not to appall him!

[Arcadia]

Maybe, maybe not. He acted like he was already fully recovered at the end of TAB. Which makes no sense to  me, but hey ... he's Sherlock. He's known to be indestructible. The question is: do the writers believe that too? Or are they out to prove him wrong?

[sfmpco]

Well, the fact that he was drifting in and out of his mind palacee or consciousness, tells me he wasn't recovered, and even Mary thought he ought to be in hospital.  Hopefully at some point they will address his drug issue, which seems to have got a bit worse since HLV.

[Arcadia]

I mean after that; when they were out at the car, they made him look like nothing had happened.

 

I rather hope they address it, I don't think a drug overdose is something that should be dropped as just an amusing personality quirk. Although that's obviously what Sherlock would prefer.

[Boton]

I wonder if at the beginning of the 1st episode if Sherlock will still be high.    If he is high, will he detox a bit before he tries to go after  "Moriarty"?  Because he had just over-dosed in TAB

 

Well, I'm sure he will be in a thousand fan fics....

 

Seriously, I'm hoping there's just a bit of a gap between TAB and Ep1.  (That is, I hope the car scene we saw being filmed is not them driving home from the tarmac, and I don't think it is.)  Although I acknowledge the need for Sherlock to get the chemicals out of his body, it's not something I really want to watch, and it's not something I really want to constantly have in my mind to filter his behavior. I don't want to always be thinking, "well, maybe he didn't quite mean that, because he was still high/detoxing."  That's why I fight the whole idea that he's an addict and always go with his "controlled use" explanation: it's just too hard to constantly be deciding how seriously you should take someone's behavior because of possible impairment, especially in a work of fiction. I do the same thing with ACD; I know that the implication is that Holmes is using throughout the stories, but I just assume that he's in full control of his faculties any time we "see" him.

[T.o.b.y]

If the baby isn't there by the end of the first episode, I will be very surprised.

 

I must say, I still can't quite picture this show with a baby. But they have done so well so far, they will find a way to make this work.

[Arcadia]

Agreed; using the first episode to kill off a baby just doesn't seem very good storytelling to me! :d

[sfmpco]

Who says they're even killing off the baby?  Pure hype.  

 

However, the 3rd director has been announced:  Benjamin Caron

 

http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/final-sherlock-season-4-director-revealed

[Arcadia]

Lots of people, possibly even the same people who say they're going to kill off Mycroft. But of course no one knows.

[sfmpco]

Exactly.  No one knows.  But we will all know in 8 months.

[sfmpco]

Here's some of what we do know about the 1st episode, however:

 

1.  Sherlock has been filmed in the same building (the Senedd?) where Magnussen was questioned at the beginning of HLV and where Mycroft gave his little speech with "You know what happened to the other one." - so perhaps there is some reckoning to take place?

 

2.  Sherlock is on the Vauxhall bridge and something makes him run.  

 

3.  Sherlock, John and Mary are in a car beneath a bridge and she might be delivering the baby in the car.

 

4. Sherlock, John and Mary + baby and dog are out and about  doing something unknown.  Baby is not newborn but a few months old at this point.   

 

5.  There is a rumored christening.

 

6.  They have filmed at the Diogenese building

 

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

2. Sherlock is on the Vauxhall bridge and something makes him run.

Are the Vauxhall Arches underneath that bridge? If so, maybe The Golem came back. ;)

[sfmpco]

I haven't seen #setlock of underneath, just on top.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I've been trying to find out where the Arches are, and apparently they're under a railroad, rather than under that bridge. Can't seem to find a good writeup, but apparently the Arches are now being turned into commercial space ... nightclubs and restaurants.

[Boton]

If the baby isn't there by the end of the first episode, I will be very surprised.

 

I must say, I still can't quite picture this show with a baby. But they have done so well so far, they will find a way to make this work.

 

Boy, I hope you are right, because right now, if there's anything I want to see less than Sherlock battling addiction, it's this show with a baby.  And the combo seems so unpalatable that I almost would be tempted to stop watching, except I do trust Moftiss's storytelling.

 

But, I just don't think either thing would happen in the long term.  If there's anything Moftiss do, in my opinion, it's stay true to the fundamental nature of the canon, and ACD paints Watson as generally unencumbered by a family and Holmes as able to control his drug use.  Those things are pretty fundamental, and I can't see the creators changing that substantially without creating a show that is no longer about Sherlock Holmes.  

[Carol the Dabbler]

If there's anything Moftiss do, in my opinion, it's stay true to the fundamental nature of the canon, and ACD paints Watson as generally unencumbered by a family....

Yes and no. "Unencumbered," yes, but often, like Watson in TAB, that's because he basically ignores his wife's existence.

 

Bear in mind that we're now talking about a 21st century man rather than a Victorian, and a whole lot of things must change in order to stay the same ... that is, in order for John Watson to remain the same man at heart.

[bedelia1984]

 

If there's anything Moftiss do, in my opinion, it's stay true to the fundamental nature of the canon, and ACD paints Watson as generally unencumbered by a family....

Yes and no. "Unencumbered," yes, but often, like Watson in TAB, that's because he basically ignores his wife's existence.

 

Bear in mind that we're now talking about a 21st century man rather than a Victorian, and a whole lot of things must change in order to stay the same ... that is, in order for John Watson to remain the same man at heart.

 

 

I find what Moftiss have done with Mary interesting, as we  are fairly sure that her name is an alias, so in a way the character of Mary is the opposite of Mary Morstan, or the very last person who could really be Mary Morstan in name. I just think it's very clever as a narrative device, because in a way she's not really married to John (if she was married under a false name), in a way she isn't Mary at all, and in that sense possibly the canon rules don't apply to her (unless the writers wish them too.)

 

And I very much agree, Carol, that they must make John's circumstances fit the time. I also think they have broken with canon in their portrayal of Mary as 'one of the guys'- their world is more inclusive of women than canon already (from what I can tell having read very little of canon), so in their version, I don't think Mary is seen as a burden at all, but rather, because of her skill set, and ambiguous identity, she can be seen as an asset to the sorts of stories they like to tell.

 

I've really enjoyed all the setlock pictures, (great to see Molly among them!) though I'm not sure that I believe every scene is real- then again, it might be a step too far (in the cruelty stakes) to pretend the baby lives, only to kill the poor thing off!

 

About the drugs, I do hope we're not going to see more of them, because it makes me sad for Sherlock, and also I think in TAB they exhausted the whole drugged-out mind palace premise, to an extent where they probably can't use it again without it seeming gimmicky.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I think I've figured out the main thing that bothers me about John's new hair style. This may sound silly (in fact, I'm sure it does), but that style makes him look like....

 

 

Martin Freeman

 

[sfmpco]

I don't know if these are new pics of inside 221B or old...

 

http://nixxie-fic.tumblr.com/post/143963427532/nixxie-fic-pt-5-the-set-design-of-221b

 

http://nixxie-fic.tumblr.com/post/143962802549/nixxie-fic-pt-4-the-set-design-of-221b

 

http://nixxie-fic.tumblr.com/post/143962252567/nixxie-fic-pt-3-the-set-design-of-221b

 

http://nixxie-fic.tumblr.com/post/143961025551/nixxie-fic-pt-2-the-set-design-of-221b

 

http://nixxie-fic.tumblr.com/post/143959787771/nixxie-fic-pt-1-the-set-design-of-221b

[Arcadia]

At the bottom of the ones I've looked at so far, they say it's from TEH.

[sfmpco]

At the bottom of the ones I've looked at so far, they say it's from TEH.

 

Always worth studying again, tho!

[sfmpco]

Block 1 of filming is done.