SPOILERS! Series 4 Setlock

[Alex the Dabbler]

Of course, #4 is the baby.  More here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3559686/Martin-Freeman-takes-Dr-s-biggest-role-films-Sherlock-London-s-Borough-Market.html

[J.P.]

 

 In fact, I sort of have to keep myself from getting negatively distracted if I see any news or gossip about BC, because it is Sherlock I am interested in following, and anything I know about the actor seems to distract me from the character in a way I find a bit....I don't know...difficult to process, I guess.

To me they are so different that both personae don't interfere. Not a bit. :-)

[Caya]

 

So the very first thing I thought? Fake scene! Kind of an expensive one, though, so maybe not.

 

Remember when they filmed Mycroft and Moriarty shaking hands for S3, just to throw Setlockers a curveball? So I wouldn't put it past them. Either way, nice doggie .

[J.P.]

... but uncooperative as hell. Ian Hallard posted a pic of Bunsen (his and Mark's dog) offering him as replacement. 

 

Shooting one scene is one thing and shooting a sequence with a dog - that's a bit much for a herring. But you never know, that's true.

[sfmpco]

You know, filming is expensive, and they don't really have the time or budget to shoot red herrings, nor is there a reason to shoot a red herring for S4.  It's not like Sherlock jumped off the roof again at the end of S3.

[gabbie]

interesting that John Watson has the haircut that Sherlock had in Bride.  Coincidence probably.  

 

I was at work today and kept sneaking peaks when my phone would tone to let me know I received a notification.  I couldn't reply but I was thinking..Oh boy there is Sherlock, John and Mary..baby and a dog.  Coworker: What is it? is it important?  Me: Very.  It's Sherlock.

 

So all the pics,news and gifs are a welcome respite from a tedious job. Such a great time to be a Sherlock fan.  So big thanks to all those posting from setlock. 

 

:D

 

 

p.s.

 

I agree, it is Sherlock's hair that matters...at least Dr. Watson dropped the 'stache.

[sfmpco]

I like John's slightly longer hair. I like Mary's longer, curly hair.  And I always like Sherlock's hair.

[Arcadia]

I just saw this on some blog or other ... I can relate. (To all 3... )

 

Anonymous asked:

i still feel like setlock is fake and not happening even if there's been a bunch of photos. because i still don't see john and sherlock back together in one photo, just the two of them. lol. why can't we have one photo. they better be in all the scenes for s4.

 

 

xxxxx answered:

actually bbc sherlock was never real and we’ve all been talking to each other about something that doesn’t exist.

 

 

we haven’t even been talking to each other, we hallucinated the whole tumblr experience

 

[Boton]

You know, filming is expensive, and they don't really have the time or budget to shoot red herrings, nor is there a reason to shoot a red herring for S4.  It's not like Sherlock jumped off the roof again at the end of S3.

 

Shooting a whole scenes that's never intended to see the light of day?  No, I agree, probably not.

 

But strategically planning to film that particular scene when it can become part of setlock and not trying to keep it under wraps, sure. I think that's more what I'm thinking about it possibly being red herring, or maybe it's better to say something that shapes the discussion the way the creators want it to go.  

 

They want us to sit here wondering if S4 is going to be a changed story of a crime-fighting team that now includes Mary, or if this is the first scene of Ep1 and it is a prelude to something happening to Mary and the baby.

 

They want us to read and/or write angsty fan fiction about Sherlock suffering with UST while he sees John merrily walking along with his wife and his baby in a baby carrier and knowing that his one chance at true love has passed him by.  Or, they want us reading and writing angsty fan fiction about how seeing John so happy makes Sherlock realize what he's been misisng and go shack up with Janine in Sussex or get Molly pregnant "accidentally."

 

They want to give us a scene to discuss that seems to tell us so much but in reality tells us absolutely nothing about the upcoming season, and they've done just that.  So, well done Moftiss.   ;)

[Shadow Dweller]

Would they ever get Greg and Mycroft together in one scene that last more than a few seconds I wonder. Preferably them talking about something.

[Bluebell]

I have a new favourite character already: THE DOOOOOOGGG!

[J.P.]

Someone of you guys once mentioned/asked about the crowd of setlockers being disruptive and loud.

But as you can hear here https://twitter.com/lichtblickpink/status/725331068279263232 there is no screaming on set, although apparently there are some people standing around

[Carol the Dabbler]

Why on earth John gets a new hairstyle?

Not sure about the John hair.  Not really liking the Mary hair, but we'll see what it looks like on screen.  Sherlock hair is the only hair that really matters.

 

And I like Martin with this hair much, much better.

 

I can't decide if I like John's hair (or Mary's hair) or not, but I'm sure I'll get used to them. Because I agree with Boton; Sherlock's is the only hair that matters! :P

I disagree!  As far as I'm concerned, Sherlock and Mary can be trendy or whimsical or impetuous all they like -- that fits their personalities.  But isn't John supposed to be the steadying influence, the only (relative) constant in the crazy Sherlockverse?  I didn't complain when he parted hair on the other side for Series 3 (even the reliable rock is allowed some leeway), but this is going a bit too far (unless, of course, it's for a case ;) ).

 

Regarding J.P.'s comment, I think that's another issue altogether.  I fully support Martin Freeman's right to the personal hairstyle of his choice.*  Just not when he's being John Watson.

 

* This does not, however, apply to hats.

 

A photo of our gang of four:

Which one are you counting as #4, the baby or the dog? :D

Of course, #4 is the baby.

You rate a plastic baby over a real live dog? Filthy human chauvinist!

 

I think we might be able to surmise that Mary and John have got themselves a dog.

 

There are at least three possibilities for the dog to relate to canon:

 

1. As someone (whom I thought I'd multi-quoted, but apparently not, and I'm too lazy to go back and find that post) said, this could be Toby from The Sign of the Four.

 

2. Since a couple of "official" tweets have implied that this episode is based (to some degree) on

 

"Silver Blaze,"

 

then this could be

 

the dog that does nothing in the nighttime.

 

 

3. Or, if this is indeed the Watsons' dog, it could be a reference to the good Doctor's "bull pup" in A Study in Scarlet.

[Bluebell]

In the Guy Ritchie-films they also have the dog. I already wondered if it is canon or if it just happened to be a fun extra...I just hope this Sherlock will not make weird experiments with the poor creature like Robert Downey Jr's Sherlock does....

[Van Buren Supernova]

Just not when he's being John Watson.

 

* This does not, however, apply to hats.

 

 

Of course, #4 is the baby.

You rate a plastic baby over a real live dog? Filthy human chauvinist!

 

and I agree!

 

 

Regarding dog and baby.

No dog.. it's Amanda's dog.

No baby at all in Season 4.

 

You have been duped.

What is my source? My gut. :P

[J.P.]

 

the dog that does nothing in the nighttime.

That's what Mark twitted as a comment to the dog refusing to cooperate, only exchanging night- with daytime. But I think he would have a canon quote for everything.

[Shadow Dweller]

One of the locations for Setlock is the Vauxhall Bridge ^^ www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/04/28/excited-fans-have-been-bumping-into-benedict-cumberbatch-in-lond/?cid=sf25242791&sf25242791=1

[Arcadia]

I disagree!  As far as I'm concerned, Sherlock and Mary can be trendy or whimsical or impetuous all they like -- that fits their personalities.  But isn't John supposed to be the steadying influence, the only (relative) constant in the crazy Sherlockverse?  I didn't complain when he parted hair on the other side for Series 3 (even the reliable rock is allowed some leeway), but this is going a bit too far (unless, of course, it's for a case ;) ).

 

Regarding J.P.'s comment, I think that's another issue altogether.  I fully support Martin Freeman's right to the personal hairstyle of his choice.*  Just not when he's being John Watson.

 

* This does not, however, apply to hats.

John Watson is allowed to wear a hat? Quick, someone call Moftiss! :P

 

You've convinced me. Now I hate John's new hairstyle too. :P :P

 

Regarding dog and baby.

No dog.. it's Amanda's dog.

No baby at all in Season 4.

 

You have been duped.

What is my source? My gut. :P

In an unexpected twist, Season 4 takes place entirely in Sherlock's mind during the ride home from the airport.

[Van Buren Supernova]

 

Regarding dog and baby.

No dog.. it's Amanda's dog.

No baby at all in Season 4.

 

You have been duped.

What is my source? My gut. :P

In an unexpected twist, Season 4 takes place entirely in Sherlock's mind during the ride home from the airport.

 

What...whut....

That would be unexpected, I give you that!

So maybe I should start saving and travel to London or Cardiff to boo Moffiss.

[T.o.b.y]

Regarding dog and baby.

No dog.. it's Amanda's dog.

No baby at all in Season 4.

 

You have been duped.

What is my source? My gut. :P

 

Remember how, for The Abominable Bride, they published a photo of the Sherlock face mask from The Empty Hearse in a jar? Which had nothing to do with the Special whatsoever?

 

Aside from this, I can think of at least ten reasons off the top of my head for why Sherlock, John and Mary could be standing around in the street with a baby and a dog other than "family photo". But It may well be the that, too. I mean, it isn't exactly a huge surprise when a character whose wife was last seen very pregnant now shows up holding a baby. As for the dog, he or she is very welcome as far as I am concerned. If there have to be more new characters, let them be animals. That's just fine with me.

 

 

[T.o.b.y]

So ACD folks, what is the Silver Blaze story?

 

Spoilers ahead for anyone who intends to read this story in full:

 

 

 

Silver Blaze is a race horse who goes missing shortly before a race. The stable boy who was meant to guard him is drugged via powdered opium mixed into his dinner and the horse's trainer is found dead with a knife wound in his thigh. A dubious stranger is reported to have visited earlier that evening, offering a bribe for an inside tip on what horse to bet on. Various evidence seems to point to this man and he is arrested for murder. The case is all over the news. Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson travel to Dartmoor to help the investigation and of course Holmes finds out it all happened a bit differently from what the police think: The trainer was actually involved in betting fraud and took the horse out of the stable in the middle of the night to cut his tendons with a fine knife, which would make him lame and cause him to loose the race, which in turn would cause the numerous people who bet money on him as the "favorite" considerable loss. The culprit's motivation was that he needed to boost his income because he had a mistress with very expensive tastes. Unfortunately, the horse had his own ideas about people approaching him with knives. He struggled, the trainer ended up cutting himself with the weapon, and finally got kicked in the head and died. Silver Blaze was then discovered running around loose in the morning by a rival stable and hidden by them, because they had a horse of their own in the race and Silver Blaze not running meant their chances were better. They painted over his characteristic white markings, which of course did not fool our favorite detective. He arranges for the horse to take part in the race in this disguise and the owner does not recognize it. The initial suspect is supposedly let go.

 

Silver Blaze is also one of my favorite Holmes stories, even though I tend to forget about it when I am asked about them. Holmes' characterization there is lovely, with particular emphasis on his mischievous sense of humor. It is (as far as I know), the only story that explicitly mentions the "ear flap hat" ("ear-flapped traveling cap" to be precise) and it contains some wonderful Holmesian quotes. Also, are you familiar with the novel "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime"? (if not: good read). This is a reference to the Silver Blaze story - Holmes uses these words to describe the fact that the dog did not bark when the horse was taken from his stable (if he had, the other stable lads in the hay loft would have woken up), from which he inferred that the person who led Silver Blaze out was someone the dog knew well and not a stranger. The police here is represented by inspector Gregory, by the way - which might be how our Lestrade got his first name.

 

I also like how there isn't a real murderer - unless you count the horse, and as Holmes puts it, he acted in self-defense.

 

I think the Silver Blaze tale would be one of the easiest to modernize - someone stealing a sports car and changing the plates plus giving is a new paint job is actually more believable than putting shoe polish (or whatever they used) on a race horse. And betting fraud in sports is still a thing, as far as I know.

 

 

 

Hope that helped? If not, at least it was a good excuse to read the story again... :lol:

 

 

 

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Bluebell: Watson's dog is sort of canon. In Scarlet when telling Holmes about himself he says I keep a bull pup. Most readers ... and movie makers ... take this literally, even though the dog is never mentioned again. One forum member pointed out a while back that Watson was very likely referring to his pistol. If you search the forum on bull pup or bullpup, his highly informative writeup should be easy enough to find.

[J.P.]

Have seen this on Twitter...

 

... and first what came to my mind was the question:

 

Did lame start to walk, and the blind to see?

 

But then I thought it could be too much of my humor for the world outside...

[Arcadia]

 

 As for the dog, he or she is very welcome as far as I am concerned. If there have to be more new characters, let them be animals. That's just fine with me.

Maybe the Big Bad in S4 will be a homicidal horse? :p

 

I loved your synopsis of Silver Blaze. Now I want to read it. If only I had time.... (I supposed I could do that instead of wandering around this forum.... nah.)

[sfmpco]

 

 

 As for the dog, he or she is very welcome as far as I am concerned. If there have to be more new characters, let them be animals. That's just fine with me.

Maybe the Big Bad in S4 will be a homicidal horse? :P

 

I loved your synopsis of Silver Blaze. Now I want to read it. If only I had time.... (I supposed I could do that instead of wandering around this forum.... nah.)

 

 

Here's the quickie version:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventure_of_Silver_Blaze