Molly Hooper

[sittything]

Hmmm... that's true.  I can't think of one that wasn't at least partially initiated by him.

[J.P.]

Maybe it's about control. Being hugged is being out of control.

[Carol the Dabbler]

What happened or changed between them that has made Molly treat him so differently?

Perhaps it's as simple as "Sherlock is back." Molly must have been under tremendous pressure for those two years: Pretending to be grief-stricken (and probably avoiding Sherlock's friends so she wouldn't have to pretend quite so much). Carefully weighing everything before she said or did it, so as to give not the slightest hint that things were not actually as they appeared to be. Fearing that the liberties she had taken with hospital and morgue records might eventually be noticed.

 

She must have lived for the day that Sherlock would return. Not that she expected him to fall in love with her out of gratitude, she didn't dare let herself even hope for that, so she insulated herself with a surrogate fiance. But she must have lived for the day that she would no longer need to maintain the pretense. And she surely expected that Sherlock would not only be grateful to her, but would now treat her with some respect and even admiration for all she'd done.

 

But how does he "repay" her? Apparently by going on a drug binge!

 

By the way, what are these lines sittything mentioned above? The ones Molly should obviously have said but then were cancelled? Don't know anything about it!!

That's from a book, SHERLOCK Chronicles, that gives lots of behind-the-scenes info on the show.  (I see that there's another edition about to be released, by a different publisher, at a much higher price -- I'd advise anyone who's interested to get the original edition while it's still being sold at remainder prices!)

 

[sittything]

Maybe Molly is more optimistic than me, but I would have been shocked, to be honest, with how nice he was to her when he returned.  I dunno, I guess my unofficial take is that they're at least spending more time together post-TEH and pre-HLV that gave the dynamic we see in HLV.  Not that I have much to back that up with other than her house being a bolt-hole.

[J.P.]

Remarkably Sherlock trusts Molly much more than John. How could he know that Molly wouldn't do something "indiscreet"?

[sittything]

Remarkably Sherlock trusts Molly much more than John. How could he know that Molly wouldn't do something "indiscreet"?

 

History?  I have this weird assumption, based on too much fan fic, that he's known her a good deal longer than John.

 

But my initial reaction to your trust comment:

 

 

lol

[joanneta1]

From the content of S1 and especially S2, where her character was given more space to develop, it seems that Sherlock has known Molly about as long as Lestrade, which would be approximately five years longer than he has known John. Would that be right after rehab and during the Montague Str. years? And he plainly tells Dr Watson in TEH that he was worried the former might do something indiscreet, as they are friends and flat mates, but when he and Mycroft planned the iterations of the end game in TRF (according to TEH), Molly was included in her official capacity as a pathologist and a doctor, so apart from the possibility of Mycroft having her sign a confidentiality agreement, Official Secrets Act or similar paper, she would be bound by the patient-doctor secrecy code, because Sherlock's survival depended on it.

As for the book, it doesn't make any sense, they should have included material from the Special and released it in January 2016.

[Arcadia]

From the content of S1 and especially S2, where her character was given more space to develop, it seems that Sherlock has known Molly about as long as Lestrade, which would be approximately five years longer than he has known John. Would that be right after rehab and during the Montague Str. years? And he plainly tells Dr Watson in TEH that he was worried the former might do something indiscreet, as they are friends and flat mates, but when he and Mycroft planned the iterations of the end game in TRF (according to TEH), Molly was included in her official capacity as a pathologist and a doctor, so apart from the possibility of Mycroft having her sign a confidentiality agreement, Official Secrets Act or similar paper, she would be bound by the patient-doctor secrecy code, because Sherlock's survival depended on it.

Those may be true, but just as a caution: the "rehab" backstory, and the idea that Molly is a doctor, are from fan fiction; there's no proof of either in the show. And personally I don't think Molly would have known Sherlock for five years before asking him out for coffee; I think he's relatively new in her life, too. But again, the show doesn't say, that's just my take on it.

 

As for the book, it doesn't make any sense, they should have included material from the Special and released it in January 2016.

Maybe that's exactly what they're doing! Have to wait and see, I guess.

[sittything]

I thought it was pretty well determined (wellingtongoose?) that Molly is a doctor.

 

 

[Arcadia]

Maybe Molly is more optimistic than me, but I would have been shocked, to be honest, with how nice he was to her when he returned.  I dunno, I guess my unofficial take is that they're at least spending more time together post-TEH and pre-HLV that gave the dynamic we see in HLV.  Not that I have much to back that up with other than her house being a bolt-hole.

Something else we don't know from the show; what went down between Sherlock and Molly when he came to her for help, and when he returned. (Was that the same room both times? Some sort of locker room type place...?) Both times they cut away so as to fuel our fervid little imaginations so it's possible something he said or did in those moments may help explain the change in their relationship. (Insert your favorite fantasy here.)

[sittything]

I thought she was in a lab when he came to her for help and in the locker room when he returned?   Now I'm gonna have to go back and look.

 

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

... the idea that Molly is a doctor [is] from fan fiction; there's no proof of [it] in the show.

 

As for the book, it doesn't make any sense, they should have included material from the Special and released it in January 2016.

Maybe that's exactly what they're doing! Have to wait and see, I guess.

 

Apparently not -- the announced release date for the new edition is October 27th, and the page count is the same.

 

I thought it was pretty well determined (wellingtongoose?) that Molly is a doctor.

Wellingtongoose has a number of us reasonably well convinced that Molly is a doctor, specifically a pathologist.  But just because that's the only real-world explanation that makes sense with what we've seen on the show, that doesn't mean it's what's "really" true.  Moftisses have been known to come up with some pretty convoluted explanations!  She would have to be minimally a lab tech, but I'm with you, Sitty, I choose to assume she's a doctor unless/until it's proven otherwise.

[Arcadia]

I thought she was in a lab when he came to her for help and in the locker room when he returned?   Now I'm gonna have to go back and look.

Maybe. Just as I was typing that I suddenly wondered ... guess I'll have to go look too!

[SherlockedCAMPer]

She was in the lab for TRF and locker room for TEH when Sherlock talks to her both times.

[Arcadia]

Thanks Camper!

[Arcadia]

Just watched one of those "making of" bits that PBS sometimes shows after an airing of Sherlock ... this one was about "the women of Sherlock." I'm pretty sure I've seen it before, but I didn't remember a thing about it ... at any rate, when they introduced Molly, it was as "lab technician." I know that doesn't make it official but I thought I'd just point that out. I have to admit, she seems more like a lab tech than a doctor to me, but hey.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Her demeanor seems more like a lab tech to me as well -- but according to wellingtongoose, she does a lot of things that would most likely be done by a pathologist (though there are a couple of other possibilities).

 

[Arcadia]

Yes, but then they'd have to introduce a new character when they needed an actual pathologist....... ;)

[Carol the Dabbler]

Then there's her ID badge -- though I don't know wellingtongoose has ever stated where that came from (i.e., whether it's the one actually worn by Louise Brealey while playing Molly, rather than a fan construct).

 

[Arcadia]

I wonder if they know we wonder.

[Carol the Dabbler]

If wellingtongoose had posted that on his/her LiveJournal account, I'd post that question.  But this particular piece is only on Tumblr, near as I can tell.

 

[sittything]

If wellingtongoose had posted that on his/her LiveJournal account, I'd post that question.  But this particular piece is only on Tumblr, near as I can tell.

 

Are you not asking because you're not on Tumblr?  Does wellington not have anon ask turned on?

[Carol the Dabbler]

I don't have a Tumblr account, no.  I rarely go there because the typical bits-to-information ratio is so low (and our current internet service, although far better than our old dial-up, is still a bit sluggish).  So posting an anonymous question seems kinda pointless, because I'd be unlikely to ever go back and check for a reply.  And even if I did go back, how would I ever find my question amongst the multitude of reposts and likes?  (Frankly, I wasn't even aware that one could post a question there!  It doesn't seem to be done much.)

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

OK, I've posted the question on wellingtongoose's main Molly meta on LiveJournal.  Will let y'all know if I get a reply.

 

[Caya]

It looks genuine enough when compared to the badge she wears in Pink.

 

 

Don't have my blurays at hand, unfortunately (and do I ever miss Aimee's site).