Patterns throughout BBC Sherlock

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Love that pic of snoopy.

[besleybean]

It's not the first day of Spring until Saturday!

[SherlockedCAMPer]

It's not the first day of Spring until Saturday!

Depends upon which side of the pond you're on. Most of the Western Hemisphere typically gets Spring on the 20th.

(it's been that way for most if not all of the last 37+ years & you can ask me on Friday [i won't say before then] how I know if you want ;) )

[besleybean]

That's my birthday...last day of winter, tee hee!

[Carol the Dabbler]

It's not the first day of Spring until Saturday!

 

Depends upon which side of the pond you're on. Most of the Western Hemisphere typically gets Spring on the 20th.

(it's been that way for most if not all of the last 37+ years & you can ask me on Friday [i won't say before then] how I know if you want ;) )

 

I was looking for a picture of Snoopy doing his dance, and since the weather (here, at least) has finally warmed up to seasonable, that one seemed appropriate.

 

As for when Spring arrives, the custom of using an Equinox as the starting date is fine if you want to call it Astronomical Spring.  And there is some correlation, of course -- but in areas that I'm familiar with, springlike weather generally seems to start phasing in around the first of March, not the 20-somethingth.  And that's about when the blackbirds come back, so who am I to argue?

 

[Nibbio]

 

Regarding Mr. Gatiss's subtext agenda however, the poor man seems to be trapped between people who complain that he has one and people who complain that he doesn't!  The latter may believe the original Holmes and Watson were thinly-disguised lovers and feel it's about time that was acknowledged -- and may feel betrayed by Gatiss, who as a gay man himself "ought" to implement that point of view more explicitly.

 

What? Oh my god. Let me get this straight (no pun intended): There are people out there who think that just because a man is gay, he is obligated to "promote" gay relationships in all his work? So am I expected to promote monogamy just because I personally have only ever "had" one man? Like, if I went and wrote a character like, say Irene Adler for example, I would be betraying all monogamous people? But where's the fun in making stuff up if you can't explore something different from what you have in real life?

 

Goodness gracious me, I do see the case for the aforementioned interpretation of the old Doyle stories (although I am almost certain that Sir Arthur himself would be appalled by it, having lived and created in very much less enlightened times as ours), but seriously, if people want that, they should go and write it themselves. Hurray for fan fiction - write what you want and for god's sake let others do the same, even if they do earn money with it. And for the record: I think that the relationship in Sherlock is something much more beautiful than a standard love affair.

 

No, I'm kidding, you make perfect sense and I whole-heartedly agree. I'm sorry to hear Mr. Gatiss is receiving attacks, I hadn't heard about that. He seems like a lovely person to me. Oh my, what a world, eh? I get a lot of kicks from the internet but sometimes I think it should be kicked into last week.

 

Amen to that!

 

I think their only agenda is to write a good TV show.

 

In that case, they are doing a splendid job, and it's all I want from them for sure. Not that I don't have any ideas about gay rights, feminism and a whole bunch of other stuff, but I don't look to entertainment to fight my battles for me. If it does so incidentally because the creator just honestly has certain beliefs and they show through, well and good, but as soon as it's some kind of calculated, preachy effort, I usually turn away in disgust.

 

And if neither of them wanted the subtext of the stories, then we would not have had such a long discussion about this Sherlock's proclivities either way. It would have been as easy for them as for the Russian series scriptwriters, and, come to think of it for John Hawkesworth in the Jeremy Brett series, to write straightforward, plain text without innuendo and ambiguous stances or doubtful double entendres.

 

Where would be the fun in that? I like the winks and nods and many layers in Sherlock. I just love reading between the lines and if I mis- and overinterpret a lot in the process, so be it, at least I'm enjoying myself.

 

 

EXACTLY! Thank you for that.

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

March 1 is meteorological spring while March 20/21 is the equatorial spring.

[besleybean]

I go with the latter!

[Carol the Dabbler]

And I go with the former, because it's more consistent with the actual weather where I live.  Even with our cold and snowy February, the crocuses have been blooming here for a couple of weeks now.  But where you are, Bev, I suppose spring really doesn't start till around the equinox (if then?).

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

It depends on the year for Minnesota. 37 years ago you could where shorts & a t-shirt right now. A week later we got a snow storm. 2 years ago we had a snowstorm mud April in the Twin Cities. 2 weeks after that another 1 hit Rochester (location of Mayo Clinics).

[Carol the Dabbler]

Sounds like Indiana -- you never know.

 

[Inge l-w]

Definitely go with the equinoctial ones, both for Spring and Autumn. Tides and the Moon are so much more predictable than Sherlock would like to delete from his hard drive!

[sherlockandjohn]

 

 

That is one of the best summaries for Sherlock that I have ever come across.

 

Agreed - that it's one of the best summaries. Don't agree with whocameos about my favourite thing about BBC Sherlock I liked it better when I did think it was about one sociopath and a bunch of fairly normal people... HLV killed that notion for good. But there's fortunately a good side to it: Sherlock's character development, while bittersweet, is certainly riveting!

 

Can anyone explain this part to me: "a pathologist who convinced the world's most terrifying criminal mastermind to watch Glee"? The pathologist must be Molly, and I assume the criminal mastermind is Moriarty, not Magnussen... What's the rest about?

[J.P.]

Wasn't it something she said about her affair with Jim from IT?

[SherlockedCAMPer]

It's on her blog that was created for the show.

[Fantasy Lover]

There are mentions of infidelity each season, for some reason

[Arcadia]

Can anyone explain this part to me: "a pathologist who convinced the world's most terrifying criminal mastermind to watch Glee"? The pathologist must be Molly, and I assume the criminal mastermind is Moriarty, not Magnussen... What's the rest about?

 

From Molly's blog:

 

Thank YOU for last night!! Xxx

 

Jim 30 March 13:47

 

 

Did you like it then? Was it all right?

 

Molly Hooper 30 March 13:48

 

 

Yeah! I can't believe I've never seen Glee before! LOVED IT!

 

Jim 30 March 13:49

[Caya]

The funny thing is, Moriarty might well be telling the truth here ;). Hey, maybe he never targeted Molly because he felt he still owed her one for introducing him to that show :lol:.

[Inge l-w]

Dear Caya, since when does a dangerous psychopath show consideration for the tool he used in getting close to the object of his entire, focused attention?

Concerning infidelity, there is no clear evidence in S3.

[BlackButterfly]

Interesting thread to read with some thoughtful comments. :-)

 

Thinking this might be a pattern - Sherlock lies to John in order to protect him but John ends up hurt and in danger anyway.

 

'I'll get the milk' -sneak off to meet Moriarty-John gets kidnapped..etc

'It's my note....' - fake death to deal with Moriarty -Johns grief @vulnerable@meets Mary..etc

'...undercover ..eastern Europe..you can trust Mary- Sherlock lied and Johns going to be hurt and in danger in S04.

 

Or has Sherlock learnt his lieing to John is 'not good ' lesson.

[Arcadia]

 

Or has Sherlock learnt his lieing to John is 'not good ' lesson.

 

I am hoping so, because that's something that's really hard for me to overlook. Sherlock's not stupid, he should be able to learn that lesson!

[besleybean]

But for me, Sherlock only ever lies to John to protect him.

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

Or for an experiment xD

[Arcadia]

Thought I'd give a go at resurrecting this thread ... have we talked about patterns in Season 4?

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Thought I'd give a go at resurrecting this thread ... have we talked about patterns in Season 4?

Not that I recall, but there are several pages on multiple threads that I have not read so there's always the possibility.