The Political Thread

[Pseudonym]

Apparently he doesn't want to come here until the British people accept and welcome him. Not gunna happen. 

[J.P.]

Fantasy, there's nothing to be soory about, I didn't have to flee from war, and I was old enough when I decided to leave the country to know that it would be hard. But: I made a decision and have to live with the consequences, good or bad.

Well, a change of topic: What's that thing about Theresa May and Wheat(fields)? I see ppl making jokes about it

[Fantasy Lover]

Apparently he doesn't want to come here until the British people accept and welcome him. Not gunna happen.

Highly unlikely they would, considering he used the Manchester attack the push his travel ban, and used a quote out of context to criticise the mayor of London.

[Pseudonym]

Oh good God, she was asked by an interviewer 'what's the naughtiest thing you've ever done?' and since she apparently thinks we're still living in a pre-industrial age she said 'when I used to run through the fields of wheat as a girl' to which everyone's response was WTF?! Yea there are wheat fields, but we're not living in a BBC costume drama. 

[Fantasy Lover]

I have found some memes of that http://www.dailyedge.ie/theresa-may-wheat-memes-3434924-Jun2017/.

[Pseudonym]

Oh dear, on the BBC news website, normally quite sensible and intelligent they have felt the need to dumb down an article to such an extent they have put 'Brexit - like an egg yolk - can be seen as "hard" or "soft"' accompanied with a picture of a boiled egg. Why, BBC, why?!

[Arcadia]

I don't even get the analogy! How can a geo-political arrangement be either hard or soft? Hard or easy, maybe ....

[Van Buren Supernova]

Is there a Republican shooting or something?

 

Disagreeing and frustated doesn't mean one can behave that way. It's common irony. Such as doing bigotry act by condemning bigotry of someone else. And everything else. Don't they see it? What is the difference?

[Artemis]

Apparently.  I only just heard about it.

 

A man angry with President Trump unleashed a barrage of gunfire Wednesday morning at Republican members of Congress as they held a baseball practice at a park in Alexandria, wounding House Majority Whip Steve Scalise and four others in a frenzied scene that included a long gun battle with police.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/multiple-people-injured-after-shooting-in-alexandria/2017/06/14/0289c768-50f6-11e7-be25-3a519335381c_story.html

 

 

 

[Surelock]

It's funny they haven't called this gunman a terrorist yet despite the fact that he engaged in violent behaviour for political reasons.

 

Oh yeah he's white. He's not a Muslim so he can't be a terrorist. 

[Arcadia]

That's about 30 miles from me, so it's been in the news all day. It's not a Republican event, exactly, it's a ballgame members of Congress (from both sides) hold every year to raise money for charities. But the shooter was identified as a Trump hater.

 

I have to admit, part of me didn't feel much sympathy ... these are the people that think it's oh-so-important that every Tom, Dick and Harry in the country be allowed to own as many guns as they wish ... and now they've become the target of one. Welcome to the fear factory, gentlemen.

 

ETA ... good point, Surelock, I hadn't thought of that.

[Arcadia]

PS ... only the gunman was killed. The one (Republican) congressman who was hit is in critical but stable condition, they haven't bothered to report on the condition of the other people who were injured.

[Artemis]

Someone they were talking to on the news (donno the name) said that before the shooting, the shooter had asked him whether the men practicing were Republicans or Democrats, and he said they were Republicans.  So it seems the targets were Republicans in any case.

 

 

[Arcadia]

Yes, I heard that too, I don't think there's any doubt that's who he thought he was targeting.

[Van Buren Supernova]

Yep, I was thinking about the gun as well. Gun + fear + hate, not a good combo for anyone, any religion, any affiliate.

 

But I don't know about the victims, for all we know they are probably against it, have right moral compass, I don't know. Ut still shouldn't happen, not to mention collateral damages.

 

And look at the ugly side when anyone starts pointing finger about bad influence of opinions and preferences blah..blah..

I saw one when Democrat or non Trumper or Kathy Griffin are being accused as the cause by spreading anti ideas etc. I see a point, but nevermind whoever, anyone saying stuff without self introspection is ridiculous.

Just sometimes ago I read article about school bullying, by children hurling abuse to non-white children, asking them to go home, linking to slavery etc. Children! It's so disturbing and suddenly I remember why I was almost depressed in November.

 

I don't see which and which races, religions or parties. I see stupid individuals with close minded thinking, that absolutely have no business holding influential positions. Everywhere.

[Arcadia]

And sure enough, we now have a couple of congressmen declaring that they should be allowed to carry guns at work and play. Golly gee, never saw that coming.

 

[Surelock]

In other news, Trump is making some bold decisions to stop terrorism:

 

 

 

 

 

Remember a few weeks ago Trump sold weapons to Saudi Arabia and then Saudi Arabia accused Qatar of funding terrorism. So Trump is basically arming both sides of the conflict.

[Pseudonym]

I'm not surprised they're doing it, I'm just surprised they're making it obvious they are doing it.

[J.P.]

There is something disturbing I noticed in the aftermath of the London tragedy. Maybe it's just the media omitting this, but I always hear  the help for the victims comes from other members of the community aka the normal citizens. Today morning I've heard the Queen had addressed an usual blah-blah to the affected, but not a word about actually helping out, which means money. Is there nothing the state actually do?

 

Which made me think about the reactions here in Germany, and that I never really paid attention. The impression I always had though, is that donations are only a part of the help, I also think to remember that fire victims are given shelter by the local administration, while it seemed like in London the mass shelter was provided by some union or such, while individuals were offering spare rooms in their homes…

 

Now I'm totally confused, but still to lazy to make a proper research…

Any thoughts?

[Fantasy Lover]

You're right, when there was that fire yesterday in London. Who was providing help? The citizens, who didn't offer help? The politicians. Luckily, When there was that terrorist attack in Brussels there was a victim fund.

[Pseudonym]

Yea, that's not strictly true. The local council have actually rehoused most people, the media just likes to big up the locals helping because it makes for a better story. Sure, they probably did help more on the actual night, since trying to rehome so many people instantly is practically impossible, but it's certainly not a case of them being ignored by the authorities. 

[J.P.]

That's good news, thank you.

[Fantasy Lover]

https://m.mic.com/articles/180005/report-special-counsel-robert-mueller-investigating-whether-donald-trump-obstructed-justice?tse_id=INF_80df5740515511e790011d41b85aaeb5&utm_campaign=WHFacebook&utm_content=inf_11_285_2&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=policymicFB#.56pdGB8Lb yeah, karma :D.

[Van Buren Supernova]

It should be interesting, I hope everyone remains fair.

 

@London

It's scary how a building burned that way. I suppose it is improperly regulated; maybe lack of sprinkler, obstructed exits, unclear procedures or exposed fire sources.

 

 

Anyway, saw this morning that both Qatar and Saudi Arabia are buying military weapons from US. This can't be good, can it? I'm not saying they are planning to go into war, yet, but it certainly doesn't help with the tension. I don't know what to say.

[Fantasy Lover]

It was definitely of the lack of sprinklers http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/15/london-fire-latest-death-toll-set-rise-amid-grim-search-grenfell/.