Episode 4.2 "The Lying Detective"

[Janyss]

Yes, Mrs Hudson did well here! There are many good things, but it's so dark! It would have been difficult to make it in another way, with what happened before. And anyway, I love the way Euros is brought in the story.

 

And I forgive ALL the bad female characters in the show, just because of lady Smalwood here and in the previous episode...This woman embodying power, who looked so fed up with the whole Holmes family in the beginning of T6T, I love that. And of course, I'm fond of the fact

that she decides to search for good moments with Mycroft. Kind of reward for all she had to deal with from them? Lol!

[J.P.]

But to be fair, she was the reason Sherlock went against CAM, so actually it's her own fault.

[Hikari]

Yes, Mrs Hudson did well here! There are many good things, but it's so dark! It would have been difficult to make it in another way, with what happened before. And anyway, I love the way Euros is brought in the story.

 

And I forgive ALL the bad female characters in the show, just because of lady Smalwood here and in the previous episode...This woman embodying power, who looked so fed up with the whole Holmes family in the beginning of T6T, I love that. And of course, I'm fond of the fact

that she decides to search for good moments with Mycroft. Kind of reward for all she had to deal with from them? Lol!

 

PC:  D'you know what speed you were goin' at?!  (p.s.  this is very poor English, btw)

 

Mrs. Hudson:  No, of course I don't--I was on the phone!

 

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JW (hopefully): Could I maybe borrow your car sometime?

 

Mrs. H. (moue):   . . No.

 

(and John is the *responsible one*.  She's still angry over him not calling her for two years.)

[Janyss]

But to be fair, she was the reason Sherlock went against CAM, so actually it's her own fault.

Yes, you're right, JP (and may be you'll tell me: at some point in the last ep of S3, I have caught that lady S. becomes a widow, thus CAM hasn't any pressure points left on her, and all Sherlock's fight against him is about Mary and John...Or did I get it completely wrong?).

 

I was thinking of the last conversation she has with Mycroft in this same episode: they are discussing Sherlock's exile and the fate of "the other one". Thus she knows what happened to the family and may be she had to help in some way. And of course I was referring to the opening scene in T6T, when she attends the brat-looking like argument between the Holmes boys, and Sherlock's happiness about the coming back of a serial killer, in a very fatalistic way. Great deal of fun!

[J.P.]

The death of Mr Smallwood is not mentioned but you can see it was in the newspaper Sherlock is reading. It's actually a sign that he has lost the case and it had dire consequences. Another reason for him to hate CAM.

 

Lady Smallwood knew about Sherrinford - it wasn't a place made only for Eurus. As a high security prison it must have been known to her, as she is probably Mycroft's superior.

[Boton]

Rewatched this last night.  Just realized that in the scene where Sherlock (mentally? physically?) weighs Faith's purse and concludes she has a gun in it, there is no way with the size of purse she was carrying and the size of gun he retrieved from it that he would know she was carrying from the weight alone.  I have make-up bags that weigh more than that gun.  :)

[Pseudonym]

Yep, my daily bag is really heavy, and that's because it's always got my laptop cable in it, with a bulky surge protection adapter plug, plus my purse which is usually full of change. Along with all the other bits and pieces that manage to accumulate in there it's super heavy.

 

I don't know why she had that gun. Was it just to see if Sherlock noticed? Was it to try to convince him she was suicidal - though I think women are statistically more likely go kill themselves in other ways. Guns aren't even common or easy to come by in this country, Eurus could have brainwashed someone into giving it to her, but what about Faith? Was it in case Sherlock clicked at seeing her and somehow knew who she really was?  

 

I saw an interesting post recently that showed a female crime scene tech freezing suspiciously in the background when John asks Mycroft about his and Sherlock's supposedly secret brother. Was that Eurus? I'll try to find the gif again.

[Pseudonym]

Ah, here's the post. Some of the reasoning is squiffy, I didn't read it all, but the gif is quite interesting. 

 

http://finalproblem.tumblr.com/post/169249919520/therapist-what-about-his-brother-john-mycroft

[Boton]

Yeah, the gif is pretty interesting there.  Good find!  

 

I guess Eurus could have been carrying the gun (which I suppose she could have conned off one of the guards at the same time she escaped Sherrinford) to see if Sherlock would save her. The whole Eurus arc seems to be her trying to see if Sherlock would save her and show her to be important to him. A bottle of pills may not accomplish the same thing.

 

But yes, your laptop cord example, too, is a good reason why a purse that size would not necessarily divulge the presence of a gun just by weight. The weight would have to be concentrated in one spot and move as a unit, but that same effect would happen with a laptop cord bundled up.  

 

So, all we can really conclude from the scene is not that Sherlock is brilliant at deductions, but that he doesn't know women *at all,* because there is no such thing as a purse "too heavy for its size."  :-)

[J.P.]

Okay, Johns gun is supposed to weight almost a kilogram (960 gram or ca. 2 pounds), I suppose that Faith's was similar.

I think it's quite possible that Sherlock would deduce (supported by other clues) that 2 pounds of something not being bulky could be a piece of metal.

 

BTW, I found an interesting "Guns in Movies" database: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Sherlock

BTW2 even the replica was quite heavy to keep it believable. It was even able to fire blanks.

[Boton]

Well, just for discussion, JP, I'm going to say a 2 pound gun of that type is just not that heavy. I don't know what your database showed, but Faith's looks to be approximately in the neighborhood of John's, so maybe a 9mm or a .45, which is sometimes used as an everyday carry (EDC) gun. The *carrier*, at least, shouldn't be all that aware of it in a purse if she's used to it.

 

Now, I think the best I'm willing to give Sherlock is that he made a WAG (wild-a$$ guess) that it was a gun based on the fact that a laptop cord or something similar of one piece is unlikely.  He might also have been tipped off by how she carried the bag, if she weren't used to carrying a purse with a gun in it and behaved uncomfortably.  But given that he throws the bag at her and then "stops it" mid-air and balances it on his finger (which almost certainly didn't really happen), all he knows is that a two-pound object is sliding around in the bottom of that purse.  And if Eurus/Faith is carrying a gun without it being secured by a pocket, a purse holster, or another kind of holster secured where it would hold the gun still, she's an idiot, which we know she is not.   :)

[J.P.]

It was "naked" when she pulled it out of the purse.

Anyway, Sherlock was trying to keep up to his drugged brain, and the weight was only a part of a bigger picture. It could even be a smell of the gun, that came out of the purse, even if it was so faint that he actually didn't notice. IMO what we call 6th sense or intuiton is mostly caused by our brain noticing much more than we are aware of.

[Boton]

You're right, it wasn't in a holster.  She's an idiot.  (Or really careless; it should either be in your hand, in a case, or in a holster.)  Then again, when have the Holmes kids ever handled a firearm properly?

 

The smell of gun oil though.  Yes, that I like.  That I like a lot.  It's distinctive, and it is something Sherlock would recognize from his exposure to John's gun, and the whole picture could come together on the basis of that.

 

Head canon accepted!

[T.o.b.y]

Eurus isn't an idiot so much as batshit insane. I wouldn't expect her to handle a gun responsibly.

[Pseudonym]

I wish they had made Eurus Sherlock's twin or slightly older. I just can't accept her being younger and doing things like 'teaching him to play the violin.'

[T.o.b.y]

I wish they had made Eurus Sherlock's twin or slightly older. I just can't accept her being younger and doing things like 'teaching him to play the violin.'

Well, that's what she said... Who knows if it's true.

 

I think they meant to highlight how gifted she is, specifically how much more gifted than Sherlock. Much good that did her, she's back at Sherrinford and all her brainpower has gone to waste. I would rather be at home in Baker Street.

[Pseudonym]

I know, but it's silly. Plus the whole 'Sherlock is the Holmes dunce' still annoys me. It's so ill-judged, the show is called Sherlock, but hey lets undermine his intelligence, the one thing he's famous and loved for. 

[T.o.b.y]

I know, but it's silly. Plus the whole 'Sherlock is the Holmes dunce' still annoys me. It's so ill-judged, the show is called Sherlock, but hey lets undermine his intelligence, the one thing he's famous and loved for.

That bothers me too, but I think it's much worse the way they did that with Mary. Eurus is so dysfunctional I am almost okay with her (only almost though). But Mycroft's long shadow, and as if that wasn't enough, Mary's super everything? Meh.

[J.P.]

 

You're right, it wasn't in a holster.  She's an idiot.  (Or really careless; it should either be in your hand, in a case, or in a holster.)  Then again, when have the Holmes kids ever handled a firearm properly?

Well, I assume it was her goal to make Sherlock notice the gun. Getting it wrapped in anything would only minimize the chance. Maybe even he was able to feel it trough the bag.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Ah, here's the post. Some of the reasoning is squiffy, I didn't read it all, but the gif is quite interesting. 

 

http://finalproblem.tumblr.com/post/169249919520/therapist-what-about-his-brother-john-mycroft

 

Didn't read all of the comments, but yeah!  This would explain how Eurus/therapist knew that John had been talking about Sherlock's "secret brother."  (Was that ever explained otherwise?)

[Artemis]

Well, I assume it was her goal to make Sherlock notice the gun. Getting it wrapped in anything would only minimize the chance. Maybe even he was able to feel it trough the bag.

 

Also I feel like part of the idea is that a suicidal person psychologically may not be present or care enough to make sure that it was safely tucked into a holster.  They're probably going to be dead in a few hours anyway, so what's the difference, why not just toss it in there.

 

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

So just tossing the gun in was basically part of her disguise. Yeah, that makes sense.

[J.P.]

Even it I think we might be overthinking again.

None of guns they had on set were in a holster. They probably didn't have money for any.

[Artemis]

Or didn't think it would matter to anyone.  :P

 

 

[J.P.]

Holsters are bulky, it's hard to stick them into a pocket. :D