Episode 4.2 "The Lying Detective"

[Carol the Dabbler]

(Eagerly awaiting the "director's cut" of all of S4 including TAB that just shows the stuff that really happened and excludes the stuff that was all in someone's head.)

That would take TAB down to what? Fifteen minutes or less?

[sfmpco]

 

(Eagerly awaiting the "director's cut" of all of S4 including TAB that just shows the stuff that really happened and excludes the stuff that was all in someone's head.)

That would take TAB down to what? Fifteen minutes or less?

 

 

[Boton]

I think someone did do an edit of the tarmac scene combining HLV and TAB but without the stuff in Sherlock's head, and it was about that long. I think I saw it linked here on the forum.

 

The best post-TAB tweet I saw was the night the episode aired in the US. It said something like, "Tonight on Sherlock: Holmes gets off a plane and into a car."

 

 

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[Arcadia]

I think "monster" is a strong word for what Sherlock is, but I do think they have consistently shown that he is not very "nice" by "normal" standards. He's insulting, rude, indifferent, a show off, possibly a narcissist, definitely a liar, reckless, ruthless... am I missing anything? :d He gets away with it, I think, because 1) all of his quirks are (usually) played for laughs, and 2) because BC manages to convey that that is all a mask for the real man to hide behind .... and the real guy is pretty great. But John, in his period of anguish, is not remembering that. That's my take on it, anyway.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I think it's quite possible to call someone a monster very affectionately.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

At a snack vending machine.

Located at an A & E or Scotland Yard just because between Mary and/or Sherlock that's where the direction would somehow end up.

[elbafo]

Hello! I thought I'd pop in and say hi, and to apologise for not reading the previous 32 pages of posts in this thread. Just wanted to say that TLD is my most favourite episode of Sherlock. The series--hell, the whole show--is seriously flawed, but TLD is one I can (and do) watch over and over. Lost count the number of times, actually.

Apologies for butting in...

Carry on!

[T.o.b.y]

Hello! I thought I'd pop in and say hi, and to apologise for not reading the previous 32 pages of posts in this thread. Just wanted to say that TLD is my most favourite episode of Sherlock. The series--hell, the whole show--is seriously flawed, but TLD is one I can (and do) watch over and over. Lost count the number of times, actually.

Apologies for butting in...

Carry on!

You're not butting in at all! Welcome! And no need to apologize, nobody expects you to read all previous posts.

 

Do you care to elaborate on why this is your favorite episode and in what way you consider it superior to the others? Just curious.

[Pseudonym]

Welcome elbafo! No worries, no one has time to read through all the previous pages.

 

Which reminds me of that Sweet Brown 'ain't nobody got time for that' clip. Everyone seen that?

 

 

It's the autotune remix that gets me. :D

[Artemis]

Do you care to elaborate on why this is your favorite episode and in what way you consider it superior to the others? Just curious.

 

I'm curious to know as well. 

 

It's the autotune remix that gets me. :D

 

I love that video, lol.

 

 

 

[J.P.]

I found a note today. I made it while watching TLD once. It's a question how Eurus could know that it was one word that changed Faith's life? Have I overseen something or was it Moff?

[Artemis]

She probably figured out that Culverton was a serial killer with her superbrain.

 

We don't know if real-Faith only heard one word, or if her life was really affected at all once she forgot everything.  We just know what Eurus-Faith told Sherlock.  If she figured out that Culverton was a serial killer then she probably conjectured that he said "Anyone."

 

 

[Pseudonym]

Didn't the note she had say anyone?

[Artemis]

No, it wasn't on the note.  Sherlock had to deduce that he said "Anyone."

 

 

[Boton]

Yeah, I'm up for hearing your thoughts on TLD, elbafo!  I must say it was my favorite of all of S4, so I liked it quite a bit.

 

[T.o.b.y]

She probably figured out that Culverton was a serial killer with her superbrain.

 

We don't know if real-Faith only heard one word, or if her life was really affected at all once she forgot everything.  We just know what Eurus-Faith told Sherlock.  If she figured out that Culverton was a serial killer then she probably conjectured that he said "Anyone."

 

Exactly. Eurus could make up whatever she wanted about Faith because Sherlock wasn't going to find out he hadn't met the real person until it was too late.

 

[elbafo]

Do you care to elaborate on why this is your favorite episode and in what way you consider it superior to the others? Just curious.

Superior seems to be a strange word to use for Sherlock episodes, because it certainly isn't the story itself that ever makes these eps stand out. I loved it because Ben's acting is brilliant--the comedic moments, the dark angsty stuff. He conveys all those emotions with just one look. The special effects were quite spiffy, too.

 

T6T had too much of Mary's backstory, and TFP was too supernatural for me.

[Arcadia]

It's my favorite of Series 4 too, elbafo. For me the way a story's told is almost always more important than what the story is about, and in that respect, I think TLD is just brilliant, like so many episodes of Sherlock. And the acting is definitely one aspect of that.

[Artemis]

Ditto, also my favorite of S4.

 

 

[Shadow Dweller]

Anyone have speculation about why at the end of the episode Mycroft appeared to hesitate when receiving Lady Smallwood's personal number? I think the act have more meaning than just she is giving him that number directly, especially coupled with the, "In case you want to have a drink," excuse.

[Pseudonym]

I assumed because in giving him her personal number the implication was that she was basically saying 'you can have me if you want.'

[Shadow Dweller]

Considering her code name is 'Love', what make her think to offer such thing like you've had said to a man who by all appearance was living alone like a hermit by choice?

[Pseudonym]

She was interested, she offered for them to have some fun, but I don't think she was overly bothered if he didn't take her up on it. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Anyone have speculation about why at the end of the episode Mycroft appeared to hesitate when receiving Lady Smallwood's personal number? I think the act have more meaning than just she is giving him that number directly, especially coupled with the, "In case you want to have a drink," excuse.

 

I think he had always thought of her as simply a colleague, and now he's suddenly forced to think of her as, you know, a woman.  Judging by the expressions on his face, he's intrigued, but initially rejects the idea -- then on second thought decides to keep the option open.  I would love to see them follow up on this!

[bedelia1984]

Considering her code name is 'Love', what make her think to offer such thing like you've had said to a man who by all appearance was living alone like a hermit by choice?

 

I thought this was a really particular sort of offer.

 

For my own part, I never considered Mycroft definitely straight- though his choice of assistant maybe should have hinted at the possibility. But I would still consider him as someone for whom the intellectual who of who was asking him out would be more important than other physical attributes- male/ female, younger/ older etc.

 

They had already shown that Lady S was someone important to Mycroft in HLV, with both his efforts to help her and the fact she knew his secret about 'the other one'- even more relevant in TFP when find out the truth of his secret.

 

So, to me, for Mycroft to not readily dismiss her offer, makes sense- firstly she was someone who had likely been unavailable (in that way) in the past, and secondly someone he had come to trust deeply, someone intelligent enough to understand and keep his secrets, to help him protect Sherlock... so given all that, he had to at least consider her, while he might dismiss most of the rest as goldfish quite quickly. The hesitation was because that's his go to- he would ninety nine times out of a hundred dismiss such a proposal, not least out of paranoia (perhaps with cause) that the person has an agenda/ can't be trusted.

 

I see what you mean about his living as a hermit, but he's also such a logical guy. To truly respect her, and her opinion, he would, to my view, have to at least contemplate that if she saw the possibility for their relationship to be a bit more (maybe not much more, it was hard to discern her meaning) she might have some valid reason, and it might be worth exploring, at least to the extent of a drink.