Episode 2.3, "The Reichenbach Fall"

[YouDoCount]

Ahh alright. I had wondered that but a lot of people have been saying online that it was his funeral, but that makes far more sense. Ok thanks

[SH/LotR/Zelda Fan]

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It's actually not healthy. I'm currently watching the episode for the 18th time in 8 days.

I know, for every hour of tv you watch, you're expected to lose...what was it? 15 minutes of your life? Which added up makes quite a lot of a difference...

[knipplan]

Watched it again just now and man... wow. Love everything about it. Andrew Scott really does look good in a crown (and he owns Moriarty). Love how he changes his accents and how he uses his body language. He totally deserved that Bafta. And Martin Freeman just, oh my... total crush.

 

Right now I'm happy I'm new to Sherlock. Having to wait longer that a couple of months for series 3 would have made me crazy(/-ier). I'm totally impressed by all you long-term fans, the stamina!

 

Give us series 3 already!!

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Welcome to the Forum, knipplan! The chemistry between the actors in this program is just amazing. Even the villains are just awesome.

 

 Almost anything pertaining to Sherlock/Sherlock Holmes is worth waiting for. So we are happy to do so, especially this show.

[Carol the Dabbler]

 Almost anything pertaining to Sherlock/Sherlock Holmes is worth waiting for. So we are happy to do so, especially this show.

 

Well, happy to wait may be a slight overstatement!  But we're sure not giving up on the show.

 

Not this year, anyhow!  

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Yeah, I suppose the word "happy" is a bit too strong. But this fandom is passionate and will stick by our "boys" as much as possible.

[knipplan]

Welcome to the Forum, knipplan! The chemistry between the actors in this program is just amazing. Even the villains are just awesome.

 

 Almost anything pertaining to Sherlock/Sherlock Holmes is worth waiting for. So we are happy to do so, especially this show.

 

Thank you! 

 

And yeah, the chemistry is what makes it one of the best shows out there. There's really not much to do besides wait I suppose. And rewatch, and discuss in forums, and obsess about 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

There's really not much to do besides wait I suppose. And rewatch, and discuss in forums, and obsess about 

Yup, thats pretty much it in a nutshell. But we'll take it.

[aely]

Fannish people are very tenacious. Doctor Who fans didn't go away because there wasn't any for over 10 years at a time way back in the 80s/90s and Sherlock fans wouldn't dream of abandoning their boys for the sake of waiting either.

 

The forum is great because it's somewhere to spend time with like minded (aka obsessed) people.  

[Carol the Dabbler]

Fannish people are very tenacious. Doctor Who fans didn't go away because there wasn't any for over 10 years at a time way back in the 80s/90s ....

 

Star Trek fans had a similar drought in the 70's.  In fact, The Powers That Be had declared it officially dead after just a three-year run.  They were a bit wrong, of course ....

 

Fortunately, the BBC seems to know better.  Maybe it has something to do with the internet!

[Caya]

If the Internet was all it took, Firefly would never have been taken off the air . I'd chalk it up to British wisdom .

[aely]

 

 

I'd chalk it up to British wisdom

 

And stubbornness. And the fact that although Doctor Who was off the air, it never quite died. It was kept alive by books, magazines and audio adventures, although the unternet didn't really exist to keep it alive until after the movie in 1996. Actualy no, it did exist, but not that many fans had the wherewithal to access it unless they were serious geeks - getting onto the internet prior to Windows '95 was not pretty and not easy!

 

Firefly lives on in comics, and don't forget, we did get Serenity - an amazing film that by all rights (if you believe TPTB) should never have happened.

 

At least with Sherlock we KNOW we're getting more, even if the waiting drives us nuts in the process.

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Especially since Sherlock Holmes can never die being proven to be truly an immortal. There may be "dry" years but sooner or later someone somewhere is going to write a book or make a movie...but then we will always have Sir Arthur's books to fall back on.

[Julia Mae]

Always good to review, especially if you are new to Sherlock and TRF:

 

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

This is so professionally done,  it does have a real newscast feel about it.

[bowlwoman]

 

I'd chalk it up to British wisdom

 

And stubbornness. And the fact that although Doctor Who was off the air, it never quite died. It was kept alive by books, magazines and audio adventures, although the unternet didn't really exist to keep it alive until after the movie in 1996. Actualy no, it did exist, but not that many fans had the wherewithal to access it unless they were serious geeks - getting onto the internet prior to Windows '95 was not pretty and not easy!

 

Firefly lives on in comics, and don't forget, we did get Serenity - an amazing film that by all rights (if you believe TPTB) should never have happened.

 

At least with Sherlock we KNOW we're getting more, even if the waiting drives us nuts in the process.

 

 

The problem with Firefly now is that there haven't been a lot of new canonical elements out in the past 4-5 years. When's the last time a FF/Serenity comic came out? Browncoat Balls and an odd cast/crew comment thrown out online or in a Comic Con panel can only take you so far. And this is coming from someone who was pretty deeply involved with the fan support for a good five years after Serenity came out.

 

With Sherlock being an adaptaion with a plethora of souce material to draw on, there's already an established fandom to slip right into. Which makes it easier to handle the long wait between series. I've recently started reading the complete Sherlock Holmes again, and it's almost as fresh as it was the first time I read it when I was 10 or 11.

 

[bowlwoman]

This is so professionally done,  it does have a real newscast feel about it.

 

I loved the little plot tidbits thrown in the scrolling headlines banner:

• Internet detective Sherlock Holmes falls to his death from roof of London hospital
• Killer of TV star Connie Prince launches appeal
• Further protests at Dartmoor research facility over animal

 

If they've peppered the "newscast" with previous episode plot points, I wonder if the others might be a clue to some future episode plot points:

 

• Prime Minister travels to Geneva for sustainable energy summit
• Hundreds of schools closed in Scotland as country experiences severe winds
• Footballer Ian Farrington announces retirement (I googled Ian Farrington and didn't find him as any sort of football/soccer player)
• Economic slump continues as unemployment figures rise

I'm guessing any ideas should be taken to the speculation thread, eh?

[Carol the Dabbler]

If they've peppered the "newscast" with previous episode plot points, I wonder if the others might be a clue to some future episode plot points:

• Prime Minister travels to Geneva for sustainable energy summit
• Hundreds of schools closed in Scotland as country experiences severe winds
• Footballer Ian Farrington announces retirement (I googled Ian Farrington and didn't find him as any sort of football/soccer player)
• Economic slump continues as unemployment figures rise

I'm guessing any ideas should be taken to the speculation thread, eh?

 

I've been assuming that these items were just made up to fill space -- but you're right, they could be foreshadowing future plots.  Who knows, Ian Farrington may be Sherlock's first post-hiatus client!

 

So, yeah, if you have any deep, dark ideas, better take 'em to the Speculation sub-forum!

 

I recently read "The Final Problem," and it -- finally! -- occurred to me that the phone call John gets, claiming that Mrs. Hudson has been shot, is a counterpart to the note that Watson gets in the original story, saying there's a very sick Englishwoman back at the hotel, and could he please come.  In both cases, there is supposedly a dying Englishwoman, in both cases the message gets Watson out of the way, and in both cases Holmes knows (or suspects) that it's a fake.

 

Also, we recently watched the Jeremy Brett episode of "The Priory School," and if that isn't the origin of St. Aldgate's, I'd be amazed.  In the story, a prominent man's son (daughters didn't much count in those days) is kidnapped at night from his room at a boarding school, and is later hidden in a cavernous location (in fact, literally a cavern), then rescued by a horde of people with torches (literally, the flaming kind).  (None of the Hansel and Gretel tie-ins, though.)

 

[Cumbereyes]

New here and the first idea that popped into my head when Moriarty killed himself (know he gets bored like Sherlock but really?) and when Sherlock jumped - was clones.  Remember in the Baskerville episode they were in the laboratory and John asked about human cloning?  Sherlock was looking through a microscope when they were discussing human clones and his eyes had a  look of interest.  But who knows with this show?  The fake death may be the correct solution.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Welcome to the Sherlock Forum, Cumbereyes!  I think many fans will agree with you on the fake death theory. Clones is an interesting one, but did the have time between the episodes to develop full sized clones? I thought they grew up from normal babies....but I could be wrong.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Hello, Cumbereyes -- welcome to Sherlock Forum!      It's great that you've jumped right in with your first post, and an interesting one, at that!

 

If this were a typical television program, I'd say you had a decent chance of being right about the clones.  However, as you say, who knows with this show?

 

I can see why you'd think of clones for "Reichenbach," since they'd already been mentioned in "Hounds," but "Hounds" was uncharacteristically (for Sherlock) sloppy with the science.  "Reichenbach" did seem to be getting sloppy again, with Moriarty's computer key code -- but then that turned out to be a hoax.  So I doubt that they'd introduce any "instant clones" here.  I do believe that Fox is right -- in real life (unlike science fantasy like Star Man), clones start out as babies.

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

I just found >this neat map of Bart's< on the hospital's web site.  Sorry, don't believe I can reproduce it here, since it's a PDF file.  But it names each building within the complex, shows open areas, internal streets, etc.

 

The building that Sherlock fell from is of course the one labelled "Pathology," conveniently outlined in red on the map.

 

[ToniLianne]

I actually am really stumped by Sherlock's "death" and have absolutely no ideas or theories at all, anyone else??

 

*Just waiting patiently for series 3*

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Oh there are tons of theories, some even talked about by Sherlockology and Cumberbatch himself. But I think to get the real skinny, we're all going to have to wait and watch "The Empty Hearse".

[ToniLianne]

I know there are a lot of theories out there and some of them are brilliant but I just really can't see how he did it, like you say we'll have to wait and see! Hopefully it will be something really clever and completely unexpected, I expect nothing less from a show such as this! Ooh is that the name of the first episode? I hadn't seen that yet, I like it