Shoot the Wall (A.K.A. The Rant Thread)

[sittything]

Thank, Toby.  Your post made me feel better about being in such a funk.  

 

I guess I blame myself not for taking this job, but for sitting in it so long without deciding what to do next.  I took this job when I got married, because my husband's career is more lucrative so I "followed" him. But that effectively killed the career I had going on, and so here I am.   

 

I do have a couple potential opportunities here at my current employer, although I'm not sure they're my dream jobs.  They're just better than what I'm doing now.  Another option is to completely change career fields, which seems a bit scary at 35, but I think in the end that would make me happier.

[T.o.b.y]

Thank, Toby.  Your post made me feel better about being in such a funk.  

 

I guess I blame myself not for taking this job, but for sitting in it so long without deciding what to do next.  I took this job when I got married, because my husband's career is more lucrative so I "followed" him. But that effectively killed the career I had going on, and so here I am.   

 

I do have a couple potential opportunities here at my current employer, although I'm not sure they're my dream jobs.  They're just better than what I'm doing now.  Another option is to completely change career fields, which seems a bit scary at 35, but I think in the end that would make me happier.

 

Well, 35 isn't old by any definition... And people change their professions even later in life all the time. If your husband earns enough, that sounds as if maybe you could now afford a period of re-orientation and training, and if you originally cut back on your career for his, it may be that he owes you a bit of that kind of support, no?

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I'm in the middle of changing careers and I'm almost 37. You can do it Sitty. Figure out what your passion is (besides our Sherlock obsession) and see how you can marry that to a career. Could luck in finding a job that works for you.

[sittything]

I'm in the middle of changing careers and I'm almost 37. You can do it Sitty. Figure out what your passion is (besides our Sherlock obsession) and see how you can marry that to a career. Could luck in finding a job that works for you.

 

What are you changing from and what to?  

 

I was a psych/higher ed background, but am interested in getting into accounting.  Took a bunch of accounting courses a few years back and LOVED them.   But unsure how to proceed with trying to get another degree (already have a BA and MA in other areas), and everyone seems to be side-eyeing me about getting another degree.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I've done customer service my whole life and am going into painting (acrylic on canvas). My BA is inter-cultural studies and my masters is organizational leadership.

[sittything]

 

Thank, Toby.  Your post made me feel better about being in such a funk.  

 

I guess I blame myself not for taking this job, but for sitting in it so long without deciding what to do next.  I took this job when I got married, because my husband's career is more lucrative so I "followed" him. But that effectively killed the career I had going on, and so here I am.   

 

I do have a couple potential opportunities here at my current employer, although I'm not sure they're my dream jobs.  They're just better than what I'm doing now.  Another option is to completely change career fields, which seems a bit scary at 35, but I think in the end that would make me happier.

 

Well, 35 isn't old by any definition... And people change their professions even later in life all the time. If your husband earns enough, that sounds as if maybe you could now afford a period of re-orientation and training, and if you originally cut back on your career for his, it may be that he owes you a bit of that kind of support, no?

 

 

I don't know that he earns enough to support both of us, which is why I took this job right away.  At least not without some drastic lifestyle changes, which I guess we would need to discuss and work out.  That would be ideal though, to be able to go back and just focus on retraining!

[sittything]

I've done customer service my whole life and am going into painting (acrylic on canvas). My BA is inter-cultural studies and my masters is organizational leadership.

 

How cool is that.    

 

We can do this, SherlockedCAMPer!  Go team new careers!

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

If you look at my full profile on a computer, you can see 1 of my paintings.

[Caya]

You can do it, ladies! I went back to college at 40 to get my engineering degree, and I loved it despite all the stress and change (which can be scary). A colleague of mine was in her mid-fifties when we started and she aced her tests. Learning can be a joy at any stage in life.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I totally agree. I love to learn. I watched the Hollywood Sessions the Epic had for lead actors on their channel and was responding "exactly, that is how I am too Michael." To Michael Keaton's statement on being curious.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Actually, I feel anaemic. I felt the exact same way back when I donated blood regularly and didn't take the iron supplements.

 

Might not hurt to get a basic blood test, then -- what they'd call a CBC (complete blood count) over here.

[T.o.b.y]

You asked for it :P :

 

Well, Toby, 1895 is not just the best year in Sherlock's working life, it's also the year of the Oscar Wilde trials and eventual conviction, just like Turing, in the Imitation Game, and it's also the year of the Dreyfus Affair starting, which ACD steered clear off, for obvious reasons. I really like it when you go on a rant, and if that is not an effeminate look they are not forcing on him, I don't know what is. Arcadia and I have had fun pondering the issue, so whenever you have the chance, do please give us your insights, or should I say: "Ich bitte Sie Ihre Meinung klar zu machen"?

 

Ah, so you did mean "gay". In which case, why not just say so? 'Cause you know, referring to it in that roundabout way sounds a bit derogatory, as if it needed a euphemism or was in some way a funny subject. Like saying "not the brightest bulb in the hallway" instead of "dumb".

 

So what you were effectively complaining about is that they made Sherlock look gay in your eyes. And that is a problem because...?

 

You know what "gay" really means? It's a colloquial term for "homosexual", and that means being primarily interested in the same gender as yourself sexually. And. Nothing. Else.

 

I am so F***ing sick and tired of hearing "gay" used as an insult, or a veiled insult. Or just to describe a certain look or style. Of course there are people who are gay and match most of the clichés about their sexual orientation. And there are people who match those clichés and aren't gay at all. About 2% of the population are gay (depending on whose numbers you choose to believe), and I very much doubt you could to walk into any given room and pick them out by sight.

 

Okay, that was part one and it boils down to: I am very touchy on the subject of being gay. (And in case you were wondering: I am married to a man. And I am a woman. The rest is a lot more complicated and not public forum material).

 

Part two: "Forcing an effeminate look" on Sherlock and / or the actor who plays Sherlock. You know what, if Benedict Cumberbatch had felt really, really uncomfortable in his costume, I bet he would have said so at some point and they'd have changed it, at least a bit. I very much doubt anybody was forced. And I really do not understand why you think the Sherlock of the early days looks like a woman. (That's what "effeminate" means, doesn't it?). Just because he doesn't have a body like a weight lifter and hair all over the place, that does not make him not a man.

 

I would call Sherlock's appearance in the first series "slightly androgynous", and that only in certain shots with a certain kind of lighting. I like it, and I think it fits a character who is mostly brain and thinks of his body as "transport". He looks as "vergeistigt" (to use a German word for once) as he acts. At the same time, he give me the impression of being pretty vain (those shirts!), and I think that's hilarious, and part of his characterization as well.

 

So, back to ranting. "Effeminate". I wonder why it is considered a bad thing if a man looks slightly feminine, but not vice versa. Women in trousers are cool, a man in a skirt would be the object of ridicule. Why is that? Is it because our cultural heritage says men are superior to women? Anyway, it bothers me.

 

So. After all this fuming, I need something to calm me down and get in the right mindset to go to work and be a mature adult. Hmmmmm...

 

[Inge l-w]

Thank you, TOBY, calling a spade a spade is always good for clearing the air. I seriously hope you do not have to work on a Sunday, though I have had to, sometimes in my line of work as a freelancer, but that does not mean I liked it one bit. On the other hand, I am not exactly sure how we landed in this thread

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Gotta love labels....right?.....eehhh not so much. I have lived with being called a Lesbian for more years then I care to count and it is no truer now then it was way back when. No I don't I have a lot of guy friends although I don't have problems with them and yes I can usually carry on a decent conversation with men and hold my own  and yes if I'm out and about and not alone I am with another woman. But things I have experienced while dating or being seduced have really made it difficult for me to take them seriously as love interests. Am I attracted to women? Sometimes but never in a sexual way.

 

  Since everyone on set sees Sherlock Holmes as being straight I don't see the problem. Yes, early on Martin Freeman did say in an interview that "Sherlock was one of the gayest things on TV." I would like to know how he would answer that now. As for Sherlock's hair being "girlish"  I have seen worse. His own hair seems naturally curly when he allows it to grow out so that hardly any indication of sexuality or preferences. I don't see how they could be "forcing" that look as it just seems to come naturally to him. As for being effeminate that hardly proves anything one way or another. You should work with some of the guys I do. Big burly macho types who whine no end about everything and then there is Joe who looks and sounds "girly" but is one of the hardest workers and loves his wife and kids no end.

 

  As for there being anything wrong with being gay? Who says there is. I know a lot of Bible Thumpers still do but I know a lot of churches who have had a epiphany and no longer denigrate or ban them from attending. They are told, from the pulpit, that they are precious human beings and do not carry a curse set on them from God. That they are loved and deserving of that love and respect. I mean really. It's time to see people as who they are as unique individuals and not as a collective and stop the negative, meaningless rhetoric.

[T.o.b.y]

Thank you, TOBY, calling a spade a spade is always good for clearing the air. I seriously hope you do not have to work on a Sunday, though I have had to, sometimes in my line of work as a freelancer, but that does not mean I liked it one bit. On the other hand, I am not exactly sure how we landed in this thread

[joanneta1]

My turn to rant! I got the cd of Sherlock Holmes: The rediscovered railway mysteries and other stories. So far so good, but in them BC quite deliberately imitates Edward Hardwicke as the narrator, Dr. Watson and does a passable imitation of Jeremy Brett as Holmes. Talk about the playful villain, it seems we have a playful Sherlock in our midst playing mind games with us, poor unfortunate fans! Arcadia, where do you keep that riding crop of yours, because it might be used on Curly (smpfco will know what I mean) for sheer mischievous fun at our expense! In hindsight, I am almost glad of Irene Adler having a go at him.

[Inge l-w]

Oh, I think it's definitely a tour de force doing all those accents, but HE makes a blunder in his American accent, in the second episode, because he is so used to saying schedule the British and not the American way, which definitely prounces it as a k instead of a soft ch, just checked in my Merriam -Webster online dictionary, but nobody is perfect, although they may be brilliant!

[Arcadia]

My turn to rant! I got the cd of Sherlock Holmes: The rediscovered railway mysteries and other stories. So far so good, but in them HE quite deliberately imitates Edward Hardwicke as the narrator, Dr. Watson and does a passable imitation of Jeremy Brett as Holmes. Talk about the playful villain, it seems we have a playful Sherlock in our midst playing mind games with us, poor unfortunate fans!

Yes we do, and don't we love it! :P

Arcadia, where do you keep that riding crop of yours, because it might be used on Curly (smpfco will know what I mean) for sheer mischievous fun at our expense! In hindsight, I am almost glad of Irene Adler having a go at him.

Harm one hair on his curly little head and I shall become absolutely monstrous. :lol:

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

 

So far so good, but in them HE quite deliberately imitates Edward Hardwicke as the narrator, Dr. Watson and does a passable imitation of Jeremy Brett as Holmes.

 

   Since he has used the Granada series for his own character study of Sherlock Holmes as a visual aid I suppose that shouldn't come as any surprise. I was listening to a interview with Mr. Brett and Mr. Hardwicke and I was hit on how much Mr. Hardwicke sounded like Mr. David Burke who also played Watson to Mr. Brett's Holmes.

 

 

 

Talk about the playful villain, it seems we have a playful Sherlock in our midst playing mind games with us, poor unfortunate fans!

 

   Even in the canon Sherlock Holmes was quite playful in his own way. Jeremy Brett certainly had fun with it and Mr. Cumberbatch is a comedian at heart, or so it seems, so it's nice to see a lighter side. Many people have commented on Sherlock Holmes darker side he needs to be lightened up a bit in a good way. There have been movies made that shredded him trying to be too too funny. It just doesn't fly.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

My tongue in cheek rant, so do    yourself, pat yourself on the back, etc    :D but I have hit my positive votes quota for the day in less than an hour of being on here because of so many good to brilliant posts that happened in the 8 hours I was asleep over night.  That is the 2nd time in as many days that I have hit that quota (Sunday took me longer)....You all need to stop posting so much good stuff  ;)  :P  :lol:

 

Now carry on with adding all of the good content as my rant joke is done. 

[joanneta1]

 

My turn to rant! I got the cd of Sherlock Holmes: The rediscovered railway mysteries and other stories. So far so good, but in them HE quite deliberately imitates Edward Hardwicke as the narrator, Dr. Watson and does a passable imitation of Jeremy Brett as Holmes. Talk about the playful villain, it seems we have a playful Sherlock in our midst playing mind games with us, poor unfortunate fans!

Yes we do, and don't we love it! :P

Arcadia, where do you keep that riding crop of yours, because it might be used on Curly (smpfco will know what I mean) for sheer mischievous fun at our expense! In hindsight, I am almost glad of Irene Adler having a go at him.

Harm one hair on his curly little head and I shall become absolutely monstrous. :lol:

 

OK, but when it says on the cover "read by BC", you would think that as Sherlock he would use the lovely baritone of this series, and another thing he does is pronounce Lestrade's name exactly like the older series! Not fair! Still, they are lovely to listen to, because of the various imitations done flawlessly one after another.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

 

you would think that as Sherlock he would use the lovely baritone of this series,

 

  Hmmm I have that cd....I'll have to listen to it again.

 

 

 

pronounce Lestrade's name exactly like the older series!

  Does he pronounce it both ways through out?  I know a Holmes did in at least one of the movies.

[Carol the Dabbler]

My turn to rant! I got the cd of Sherlock Holmes: The rediscovered railway mysteries and other stories. So far so good, but in them HE quite deliberately imitates Edward Hardwicke as the narrator, Dr. Watson and does a passable imitation of Jeremy Brett as Holmes. Talk about the playful villain, it seems we have a playful Sherlock in our midst playing mind games with us, poor unfortunate fans! Arcadia, where do you keep that riding crop of yours, because it might be used on Curly (smpfco will know what I mean) for sheer mischievous fun at our expense! In hindsight, I am almost glad of Irene Adler having a go at him.

 

Not being familiar with that CD, I wasn't sure how to read "HE" -- some performer with those initials? (couldn't offhand think of any) -- God? (seemed unlikely).  Upon searching the internet for the CD, however, I discovered that it's narrated by Benedict Cumberbatch.

 

Sounds interesting, even though the stories are not actually rediscovered ACD tales.  And anyone who can imitate Edward Hardwicke's Watson is OK in my book.

[Arcadia]

Not being familiar with that CD, I wasn't sure how to read "HE" -- some performer with those initials? (couldn't offhand think of any) -- God? (seemed unlikely).....

A bit, yes.

[Inge l-w]

 

 

you would think that as Sherlock he would use the lovely baritone of this series,

Hmmm I have that cd....I'll have to listen to it again.

 

pronounce Lestrade's name exactly like the older series!

Does he pronounce it both ways through out? I know a Holmes did in at least one of the movies.

Hi, the answer is "no", he pronounces it like Brett and this thing does not help with phonetics, basically making it two syllables.