Sherlock (the BBC character)

[Arcadia]

 

I was very discouraged by the last season of Star Trek, for example, and at the time it sort of discolored the whole series. Same with Buffy; the final season was a mess, imo. 

 

But all these years later they're still two of my all-time favorite shows, and I will happily watch an episode when I get a chance (as long as it's not Spock's Brain; puh-lease! )

 

Hey, don't knock my favorite episode!  :P

 

This confirms it ... you are deranged.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

 

 

I was very discouraged by the last season of Star Trek, for example, and at the time it sort of discolored the whole series. Same with Buffy; the final season was a mess, imo.

 

But all these years later they're still two of my all-time favorite shows, and I will happily watch an episode when I get a chance (as long as it's not Spock's Brain; puh-lease! )

Hey, don't knock my favorite episode! :P

This confirms it ... you are deranged.

You do realize just about all of us in here could be described as that to some degree or other.

[Van Buren Supernova]

Back to Sherlock character if I may.

 

What do you guys think about him twitting (is is a word? For awhile there, I contemplate about how twitter is spelled, tweet? :p that's how bad I am in social media)

Yah, about Sherlock twitting vigorously at the beginning of TST. I don't like how impolite he is it in that scene, while I enjoy sheet in Buckingham greatly. (Behave all you want if you are plucked from your home without explanation forcibly, I would, but not when you are justifying yourself for shooting someone).

 

But politeness aside, I don't get it as his character.

 

We saw him texting Wrong! to everyone in SIP but that is him, as narcissistic as he is to inject himself in 'interesting' case.

We saw him in his website but that is as dry and straightforward as his personality should be.

But twitting? All the time? What is that for? That is out of character to me.

People twit (correct me if I'm wrong)

1. to share information

2. Opinion.

3. Broadcast what they are doing/other narcissistic stuff

4. To do a cause

 

And eventhough Sherlock is narcissistic and does geniusplanning, he keeps it brief, only when necessary and to certain circle of people that he choose. He doesn't care about recognition or credits. He is a show off but he doesn't really enjoy much publication or attention as we see how awkward he is in TRF. I don't think he cares to connect with plethora of goldfish out there in any shape or form. A little bit, maybe, but not like teenagers with steroid that have lifelines surgically attached to their smartphone. NO! Not at the extend of what we are shown.

 

Thoughts?

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I just took Sherlock's tweeting (as the term is called, because the message is called a tweet) as part of his getting over the drugs since he had been high on the plane and we don't know the length of time between plane and the meeting.

[Van Buren Supernova]

I was about to edit my post but you beat me to it. It's tweeting. Sorry guys :p.

(Why they don't call it tweeter then?)

 

I actually one of the very few (any others?) who believe that he is not that high/not high during non-case time, at least in the BBC version, and at least not as high as when he is on actual case, so I also assume that his transition period is equivalent to 'slightly high'/not high.

 

And even so, his version of high is more calm and retreat than broadcasting himself or being outgoing.

 

I suppose it's quite similar with how people behave differently when they are drunk, some people climb on table and dance, some get angry and abusive, some just sit quietly or go to sleep.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I'm thinking tweeter would be the term for the user (aka the person who sends the tweet).

 

My only other thought to Sherlock's tweeting is his way of just annoying his brother (and maybe trying to prevent any sort of knighthood on himself).

[Van Buren Supernova]

But he did that during church ceremony too.

[J.P.]

In the church he might have messaged case-related stuff.

It is not impossible that someone who avoids attention in person, likes to show-off online (look at me :P)

But still the scene felt completely out of character (and it's maybe the moment my brain decided to hate at least TST). We have high sherlock in the end of (ahem… apparently) HLV and TAB, and he behaves fairly normal, but then he's shooting walls in TLD. So maybe that's a matter of what kind of stuff he'd taken. But in that case - WHERE IS THE LIST?!

 

The sheet was funny. This scene wasn't. Don't know why…

[gerry]

I don't remember giving much thought to his tweeting but I think it's because I was more bothered by his attitude about murdering someone in cold blood though I still haven't decided whether that attitude was in character for Sherlock or not.

[Van Buren Supernova]

In the church he might have messaged case-related stuff.

It is not impossible that someone who avoids attention in person, likes to show-off online (look at me :P)

I buy that. I'm not a quarter as what I am here in real life. Not even less than that.

But again, we have seen how Sherlock behaved online. He participated in John's blog once in a while to criticize him, he barely updated his Science of Deduction and didn't bother much to broadcast his achievements or engaged in online social platform, so he is not like that online from what we have known.

 

But still the scene felt completely out of character (and it's maybe the moment my brain decided to hate at least TST). We have high sherlock in the end of (ahem… apparently) HLV and TAB, and he behaves fairly normal, but then he's shooting walls in TLD. So maybe that's a matter of what kind of stuff he'd taken. But in that case - WHERE IS THE LIST?!

I'd say in TLD he purposely cranked it up to bait Mrs.Hudson to deliver him to John, or to stress the urgency of her trying to get John. He also used the same method with Magnussen, trying to 'discredit' himself as sloopy, pretty high, and incapable to lower the guard of the enemy. He didn't success with Magnussen, but Culverton bought it hook, line and sinker, although the fake Faith was another factor that he didn't expect, but the plan still worked. It's probably the more dramatic and drastic version of stunt he pulled in The Dying Detective (one of a handful that I managed to read), so that mostly intended exaggeration.

 

The sheet was funny. This scene wasn't. Don't know why…

Let me try, maybe you have the same reason.

The sheet is the act of rebel of him being forcibly pulled from his home without intention to tell him why. He deduced that, but we know they didn't intend to tell him and John anything. So it's funny and I think he has every right to do so. Screw them. Invade his place with long face and ask him to play dress up without disclosing the reason? How did it work out for ya? They were lucky (or not? ) he was out of bed, and not in the middle of showering, otherwise I don't think he cares if there is a 'crown jewel' display :p in Buckingham Palace's sitting area.

 

While the one is TST is just outright disrespectful, and inconsistent. As much as I understand M's shooting, in HLV it's shown he did it with heavy heart after long consideration and being driven to the corner, he wasn't gleeful about it.

In TST he treated it like a joke or something to brush aside while attending a meeting with high ranking officials who were trying to get him out of that. Politic, things behind the screen, things high up there are highly and most probably coldly calculated to choose which 'truth' is shown to public, I don't find it hard to believe that governments do a lot of dirty works and cover ups.

I also believe Holmes brothers would accept the logic and go along with the cover up based on cold assumed necessities, so I think Sherlock didn't do it out of rebelling act, he just purely out of character imo, especially from the content of the tweets about free as a bird etc.

 

Another reason this scene surprised me was because I was so hyped up with new Sherlock episode, after running up and down furnitures with my dog while waiting for it, I watched it with the same person I watched SIP with. We went to different directions; he fell asleep watching SIP and no more, while I was hooked. After seeing me transforming into a fan, patiently helped me with it, he just casually watched TST with me, and when we saw the scene, I felt like geez, I need to justify that my favorite show and character is.. not like this? Why is he like that?

 

  

I don't remember giving much thought to his tweeting but I think it's because I was more bothered by his attitude about murdering someone in cold blood though I still haven't decided whether that attitude was in character for Sherlock or not.

Imo, murdering Magnussen is not in his character, from what I take in HLV again, he felt he was driven to the corner and in his mind, it's necessary to do that then and there to protect people he cares about, another new thing for him.

We had long discussion about this some time ago some where, but if you ask me in short, no, it's not, the act itself is not, but whatever leading up to him doing it, yes.

[J.P.]

 

I'd say in TLD he purposely cranked it up to bait Mrs.Hudson to deliver him to John, or to stress the urgency of her trying to get John. He also used the same method with Magnussen,

This is the best thing in TLD - that you actually don't know how much Sherlock is faking his condition. He did take drugs, because it had to be authentic for John, but his behaviour - we don't know, as we don't know how much Mrs Hudson was playing along (which could be as well another inconsistent in the writing). Then we have a show of Sherlock's acting ability in the killing scene. Which strongly reminds me of TRF. Now, thinking about it - maybe Sherlock's despair and crying on the roof was there only to fool the viewers into believing he was desperate. Which is a bit not good.

[Carol the Dabbler]

My take on Sherlock's strange behavior at the beginning of T6T is that he's basically giddy with relief that he's back in London and off the hook.

[Arcadia]

That's my take as well, but it doesn't make me like it any better.

 

I think the tweeting was supposed to be funny, but I'm afraid I felt about it the same way I do in real life ... I find the whole thing rather silly. And I don't like to see Sherlock looking silly. And then he stopped doing it as suddenly as he started (thankfully). That's not characterization, that's just ... silly. *sigh* I can't help it, every time someone mentions T6T all I can do is carp... :(

[Van Buren Supernova]

Alright alright, it seems more difficult than I thought to get you guys out of somber mood.

I admit I get a bit pissed as well everytime I talk about S4, at least some parts always tickle me, but then again, my urge is to stir it back to keep it balanced.

 

What about this?

Sherlock kicks ass in TST.

Something I want to see for a long time since TBB sword fight. Not bond-y kind, just to remind me that Sherlock is capable of keeping up with 'baddies' if he needs to. And as someone who plays in water quite a lot, I know that it's not easy to make those scenes.

[Arcadia]

I liked the bit before they went in the water. After that, it was just ... silly. :P Even the first time I saw it, I started twitching with impatience for it to be over. I loved the way he clonked Ajay in the head with Ms. Thatcher, though, I thought that was pretty clever of our Sherlock. And he looked cool doing it.

[Inge l-w]

For a disillusioned fan like myself, the topic has been a delight: seeing so many clever people trying to make sense of S 3 and S4 is hugely enjoyable. Sherlockshome.net also had similar questions to pose to these in here. It is absolute Schadenfreude to read wonderful rationalisations that the two creators probably didn't think of! Way to go, dear fellow members!

[gerry]

We had long discussion about this some time ago some where, but if you ask me in short, no, it's not, the act itself is not, but whatever leading up to him doing it, yes.

I wish I could believe he didn't want to but felt he had to. If he felt like he simply had to, why was he so nonchalant about it and why would he continue to be so arrogant? You'd think being outsmarted so much to the point of murder would have been a humbling experience but he seemed more buoyed by getting away with it to the point of making him more arrogant until that attitude lead to Mary's death.

[Arcadia]

Yep, that's what bothers me too. No remorse for having to take a life, even a life as slimy as Magnussen's. No regret for the failures that led to the situation in the first place. Nothing learned from it. At least at the end of HLV there was the possibility of interpreting Sherlock's reaction as remorse, but not after the opening of T6T.

[Van Buren Supernova]

 

We had long discussion about this some time ago some where, but if you ask me in short, no, it's not, the act itself is not, but whatever leading up to him doing it, yes.

I wish I could believe he didn't want to but felt he had to. If he felt like he simply had to, why was he so nonchalant about it and why would he continue to be so arrogant? You'd think being outsmarted so much to the point of murder would have been a humbling experience but he seemed more buoyed by getting away with it to the point of making him more arrogant until that attitude lead to Mary's death.

Yes. That's why imo the tweeting scene screws HLV. I'm on the side who defend what he did in HLV, but now my arguments seem shaky because of that inconsistency, although I still stand by them.

I wish they did it a bit differently, just have him sit there probably. That's all!

 

I wonder if they want to recreate Buckingham Palace's magic but Wtf.

And that's all about Magnussen. Even me think he deserves a bit more.

[T.o.b.y]

Yep, that's what bothers me too. No remorse for having to take a life, even a life as slimy as Magnussen's. No regret for the failures that led to the situation in the first place. Nothing learned from it. At least at the end of HLV there was the possibility of interpreting Sherlock's reaction as remorse, but not after the opening of T6T.

 

I don't think either Sherlock nor the writers think killing Magnussen was wrong. I do think he knows it wasn't a particularly clever or elegant solution, it was, in fact, an admittance of defeat - like just punching a schoolyard bully in the face (or getting someone bigger and stronger to do it). But I did not expect him to be particularly shaken about having taken this particular life. We've discussed this at length in the HLV thread and I highly respect everybody who thinks this is awful but I don't, for me, it's okay because it's fiction and I see it on roughly the same level as the heroes killing orc in Lord of the Rings.

 

I am also one of the few people who get a huge kick out of that scene at the beginning of The Six Thatchers. Mycroft and his government buddies, who have done absolutely nothing at all about Magnussen for years it seems, are being all pompous and solemn over Sherlock having finally done the dirty work for them and he's just not having it. Yes, he is being an immature ass there, but I sympathize with that; I am still teenager enough at heart. Also, I don't think Sherlock is actually genuinely as giddy and cocky as he seems there. I think he's apprehensive and hyped up for the game because he thinks Moriarty is in some way back. He knows something big is coming, something dangerous and not just a danger to him but also to John, Mary and their child and he's a bit wild with anticipation. On the one hand, he does really love the thrill of the chase, on the other hand, there's so much on the line. I am probably over-interperting and projecting again, but I think there's something serious at the bottom of his outrageous behavior.

 

[J.P.]

CAM probably had some material on every of those people, killed Mr Smallwood, got rid or Mr Garvey - now thinking about it - maybe he even provided pressure points to Moriarty enabling him to manipulate the jury. :D

 

So probably the majority of people working in the River House were just happy to get rid of him.

 

I do think Sherlock might have acted weird, but I don't know why - except to take revenge on Mycroft.

[gerry]

Why would he want to take revenge on Mycroft? Wasn't it Mycroft that helped him get away with murder?

[Arcadia]

As the hapless victim of not one, but two, older brothers ... trust me, revenge is sweet whether it's earned or not. :D

 

Seriously, I suspect JP just means that Sherlock loves to take the piss out of Mr. Pompous Control Freak Mycroft whenever he can, simply because it's fun to see Mycroft go all purple when he finally can't stand it anymore.

[J.P.]

Yupp.

[gerry]

I banter with my siblings with the best of them but you'd think if your sibling helped you get a away with murder, you'd actually appreciate them in that moment, not want to show them up. There's a time and place for revenge, isn't there? That didn't seem like the best moment for that kind of attitude.