Episode 2.1, "A Scandal In Belgravia"

[SherlockedCAMPer]

As far as we know (and definitely not on screen if they do) Mycroft and Mary don't meet until the airport scene near the end of HLV.

[sittything]

I dunno that I'm mad at Mycroft and John for the drugs bust.   Clearly he has a past, once they're both familiar with, especially Mycroft... and I think it's really out of genuine concern for him.

[Arcadia]

Yeah, Sherlock sort of brought that on himself; if he can't treat his own body responsibly, people who care for him are prone to intervene. It's hard on them too; he's lucky to have people who care that much. A lot of them can only take it for so long, though; he needs to grow up someday.

[T.o.b.y]

We never see Mary and Mycroft interacting, do we?

 

BTW, I have FINALLY got the meaning of Sherlock's sock index remark. His strange behaviour as he came home was looking for signs that the flat was searched for drugs. Not the first time, apparently. I think it is so sad - this lack of trust. And it forebodes the worst thing John ever done to Sherlock - the drug bust in HLV. The longer I think about it the more I want to grab Mycroft's umbrella and whack the hell out of him, his helpers and finally John.

 

Well, to be fair, what reason does John have to trust Sherlock - in anything? Not much, I'd say. Sherlock does just what he pleases and while he's neither stupid nor malicious, he does a lot of stuff that probably makes perfect sense to his exalted brain but can have rather nasty consequences in the boring old real world.

 

I don't blame John for those things at all... As for Mycroft, I find him annoying as heck too, but I do think he's sincerely concerned.

[Carol the Dabbler]

As far as we know (and definitely not on screen if they do) Mycroft and Mary don't meet until the airport scene near the end of HLV.

 

Not on-screen, but it would seem awfully odd if they had not at least been introduced to each other at Christmas.  But other than a perfunctory how-do-you-do, they may then have chosen -- for whatever reason -- to spend the day in different rooms.  Would be interesting to know if they have a "history" from Mary's former life (which would not necessarily mean that they had met).  Maybe we'll hear something about that in Series 4.

[sittything]

I feel almost certainly that Mycroft knew about Mary's past or knew of her before John.  But then I tend to see Mycroft as this all-knowing government figure.  Now whether Mary knew who Mycroft was or if they had met before?  That would be very interesting.   I hope they don't kill Mary off without giving us more of her background.  I know John may not care, but I do!

[Arcadia]

I had to laugh because around here there are many people that think "all-knowing government figure" is an oxymoron.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Well, then, make that "know-it-all government figure"!  ;)

[sittything]

Well, then, make that "know-it-all government figure"!  ;)

 

[Arcadia]

Yes! That fits in so many ways!

[J.P.]

Yeah, Sherlock sort of brought that on himself; if he can't treat his own body responsibly, people who care for him are prone to intervene. It's hard on them too; he's lucky to have people who care that much. A lot of them can only take it for so long, though; he needs to grow up someday.

Well he can't grow up if he is treated like a child IMHO. He might have had issues in the past, but since he knows John there are no reasons to believe he still does drugs, no matter how concerned Mycroft was. Even addicts have the right to privacy.

 

And using Anderson and some fans, who will most probably share the adventure with the whole world, makes even worse. 

 

 

... but we are in the wrong thread. :P

[sittything]

Aren't we always in the wrong thread?  lol

[Arcadia]

There's a right thread? :p

[SherlockedCAMPer]

We threads left and right in spurts and sometimes we try to bring it back again. Such as:

 

We must remember that Sherlock was nicely drugged by Irene just before she left with her camera phone back in her possession.

 

There, somewhat un

[sittything]

 

This is poor Carol trying to keep us in line... lol

[Arcadia]

Yes, that wasn't very mature of her, was it?  :p

[sfmpco]

Here's a bit of an interview.

 

[sfmpco]

And another one.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AmAhipUQrs

[Arcadia]

Just watched this episode again (it gets better every time!) ... some questions ....

 

Did Jim leave Sherlock alive so he could solve the puzzle of the "airline email"? If so ... why didn't Jim just solve the puzzle himself?

 

Irene was in mortal danger because she had this information. ("Killers" were after her.) Who? The CIA? Mycroft? If so, why not just kill her when they had the chance?

 

It's implied the CIA guy and Mycroft were working together (why else was the CIA guy at the airport?) ... so why did the CIA interfere when Sherlock was on the case? If they hadn't butted in, Sherlock probably would have retrieved the phone and turned it over to Mycroft. Problem solved.

 

Why was Jim "desperate" to get Mycroft's attention?

 

Were Mycroft and the Esquerry interested in the "airline email" all along? And the bit about the "young female person" -- was that just a "cover story" to keep Sherlock from probing any further? I mean, I assume the incident happened, but was that really why they wanted the phone to begin with? Just coincidence that Irene also had the airline information?

 

 

I know most of these won't have definitive answers, but I thought it would be fun to see what you all think. This episode is too clever for my little brain to wrap itself around, it needs help!

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Just watched this episode again (it gets better every time!) ... some questions ....

 

Did Jim leave Sherlock alive so he could solve the puzzle of the "airline email"? If so ... why didn't Jim just solve the puzzle himself?

 

Irene was in mortal danger because she had this information. ("Killers" were after her.) Who? The CIA? Mycroft? If so, why not just kill her when they had the chance?

 

It's implied the CIA guy and Mycroft were working together (why else was the CIA guy at the airport?) ... so why did the CIA interfere when Sherlock was on the case? If they hadn't butted in, Sherlock probably would have retrieved the phone and turned it over to Mycroft. Problem solved.

 

Why was Jim "desperate" to get Mycroft's attention?

 

Were Mycroft and the Esquerry interested in the "airline email" all along? And the bit about the "young female person" -- was that just a "cover story" to keep Sherlock from probing any further? I mean, I assume the incident happened, but was that really why they wanted the phone to begin with? Just coincidence that Irene also had the airline information?

 

 

I know most of these won't have definitive answers, but I thought it would be fun to see what you all think. This episode is too clever for my little brain to wrap itself around, it needs help!

 

1) I think Jim likes a good game so he left Sherlock alive a bit longer for that whole thrill.  Also he doesn't exactly come across as a puzzle solver the way Sherlock does (yes, I know, Sherlock is not a puzzle solver but a drama queen).

 

2) Not a clue, maybe they found her alluring as much as dangerous?  Figured her phone was booby-trapped & wanted her alive to open it?

 

3) The flight was a joint effort of the 2 governments.  It's possible that there were US government secrets (apart from Bond Air) on that phone that Mycroft was not told about so he may not have known about the potential interference or the CIA was being stubborn as can happen.

 

4) Maybe Jim was tired of as well and wanted someone to play with?

 

5) I'm thinking coincidence on the airline info.  Mycroft may not have known until after the fateful day at Irene's because the day after he takes a call talking about Bond Air.  I don't think it would have been a go if he had known info on it was on her phone.

 

(I watched the episode last night as well.)

[Inge l-w]

Seriously, who doesn't like Scandal? It has everything a good show needs!

Sorry, but he is a puzzle solver, Sherlock need not and has never been a drama queen, whatever Mist they cooked up among themselves in S3!

Quite probably, Mycroft had the best answer about Jim's motive: :give him a puzzle and watch him dance, like a moth to the flame of Irene's irresistibility.

What the two snippets include is also included in the Scandal with Commentary, so apparently Sherlock was right all along when he talked about Coventry "nothing new under the sun".

[sittything]

I don't think being a problem solver and a drama queen are mutually exclusive.   ;)    I'd say he's both a drama queen and a problem solver;  but Mycroft is a drama queen too.  It seems to be familial.  lol

[Arcadia]

 

Just watched this episode again (it gets better every time!) ... some questions ....

 

Did Jim leave Sherlock alive so he could solve the puzzle of the "airline email"? If so ... why didn't Jim just solve the puzzle himself?

 

Irene was in mortal danger because she had this information. ("Killers" were after her.) Who? The CIA? Mycroft? If so, why not just kill her when they had the chance?

 

It's implied the CIA guy and Mycroft were working together (why else was the CIA guy at the airport?) ... so why did the CIA interfere when Sherlock was on the case? If they hadn't butted in, Sherlock probably would have retrieved the phone and turned it over to Mycroft. Problem solved.

 

Why was Jim "desperate" to get Mycroft's attention?

 

Were Mycroft and the Esquerry interested in the "airline email" all along? And the bit about the "young female person" -- was that just a "cover story" to keep Sherlock from probing any further? I mean, I assume the incident happened, but was that really why they wanted the phone to begin with? Just coincidence that Irene also had the airline information?

 

 

I know most of these won't have definitive answers, but I thought it would be fun to see what you all think. This episode is too clever for my little brain to wrap itself around, it needs help!

 

1) I think Jim likes a good game so he left Sherlock alive a bit longer for that whole thrill.  Also he doesn't exactly come across as a puzzle solver the way Sherlock does (yes, I know, Sherlock is not a puzzle solver but a drama queen).

 

2) Not a clue, maybe they found her alluring as much as dangerous?  Figured her phone was booby-trapped & wanted her alive to open it?

 

3) The flight was a joint effort of the 2 governments.  It's possible that there were US government secrets (apart from Bond Air) on that phone that Mycroft was not told about so he may not have known about the potential interference or the CIA was being stubborn as can happen.

 

4) Maybe Jim was tired of as well and wanted someone to play with?

 

5) I'm thinking coincidence on the airline info.  Mycroft may not have known until after the fateful day at Irene's because the day after he takes a call talking about Bond Air.  I don't think it would have been a go if he had known info on it was on her phone.

 

(I watched the episode last night as well.)

 

#2. Yes, that's a good point, if they really wanted access to the information on her phone, it would be better to keep her alive. But in that case ... who WAS trying to kill her?

 

#3. Yep, possibly. I get so used to thinking Mycroft knows everything :P that I forget maybe he doesn't, really!

 

$5. What do we say about coincidence? (Personally I think it happens all the time, but then, I'm a goldfish ...)

 

Seriously, who doesn't like Scandal? It has everything a good show needs!

Sorry, but he is a puzzle solver, Sherlock need not and has never been a drama queen, whatever Mist they cooked up among themselves in S3!

Quite probably, Mycroft had the best answer about Jim's motive: :give him a puzzle and watch him dance, like a moth to the flame of Irene's irresistibility.

What the two snippets include is also included in the Scandal with Commentary, so apparently Sherlock was right all along when he talked about Coventry "nothing new under the sun".

 Which two snippets are you referring to, if I may ask?

 

I don't think being a problem solver and a drama queen are mutually exclusive.   ;)    I'd say he's both a drama queen and a problem solver;  but Mycroft is a drama queen too.  It seems to be familial.  lol

Heriditary! :lol:

[Inge l-w]

Dear Arcadia, the two interview bits above were practically repeated word for word in the Scandal commentary.

You d I d mean hereditary, I hope! My fingers type faster so often that I have to edit my posts every so often, myself.

[Arcadia]

Dear Arcadia, the two interview bits above were practically repeated word for word in the Scandal commentary.

You d I d mean hereditary, I hope! My fingers type faster so often that I have to edit my posts every so often, myself.

 

Okay, now I get it, thanks! And yes, I did mean hereditary -- I see now that's not the only typo I made!