Episode 2.2 ,"The Hounds Of Baskerville"

[Arcadia]

I notice they all use "shock" to mean "shock." I'm shocked!

[Schlauer Fuchs]

Thanks, Toby and Carol! It was probably the best solution to just stick with "hound" even though the word doesn't exist in German...

 

As regards that other discussion: Sherlock and John saying "Sie" instead of "Du" is awful, how could they do that? They're friends, not strangers... that's even worse than their choice of dubbers. Bad job there, but I guess that's off-topic in this thread and probably not even interesting for the non-German party here!

[Arcadia]

Go right ahead, we don't mind!

[Janie]

Yeah, we don't mind. I can even sympathize with you because I have the same problem with Sherlock being translated into my language. The voices aren't that bad though (except for John). But the translation was just wrong. I saw the first two series in Czech out of curiosity and then decided not to do the same mistake again.

[T.o.b.y]

To be fair, I don't see how The Hounds of Baskerville in particular could be translated into any other language without losing an essential element of the case, seeing as it relies so heavily on the word "hound" and the corresponding acronym. You can't even change it to another word, because the letters appear on screen.

 

I've tried my hand at translation a few times, and it is really, really hard work.

 

I'm just grateful that my English is good enough to enjoy the series in the original version (and many others, too, plus all those wonderful books I love). Thanks to my lovely parents for making sure I learned the "mother tongue" even though I didn't get to grow up in an English-speaking country!

[Janie]

I wish I could remember how they did it in our language. But I know that this was one of the very few things they did quite cleverly. I think they didn't translate the acronym but can't recall what exactly they did with it. I think I might sometime watch it again in Czech... this was actually the one episode ot the six that I wasn't complaining that much about.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Being something of a language buff, I find all of this fascinating -- so please, discuss away!
 

Thanks to my lovely parents for making sure I learned the "mother tongue" even though I didn't get to grow up in an English-speaking country!

I've known several bi-national couples who inexplicably did NOT raise their kids to be bilingual. It's apparently very easy for kids to absorb languages in their early years, so denying them a second language that they could have learned quite naturally at home seems a dreadful shame.

 

[jesskayding]

I notice they all use "shock" to mean "shock." I'm shocked!

 

 

[Redbeard]

Love reading the discussions on this episode - this is one of my very favourites.  I think part of the reason this episode gives me the warm fuzzies is because The Hound of the Baskervilles was my first entry into the world of Sherlock Holmes, one very rainy Saturday night in probably 1980-something I watched it with my brother on TV, on an old Masterpiece Theatre or something!  Then there was the Jeremy Brett version.  And it was also the first Conan Doyle story I read!  This adventure will always be "Sherlock Holmes" to me.  (Oh and the language discussion is very interesting too lol.  Pardon my intruding on it!  I just couldn't stop myself.) 

[Carol the Dabbler]

For shame, Redbeard -- posting on topic! 

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I love the language discussion as well. And one if my favorite moments in this episode is when Sherlock is sitting by the fire and having the facial movements of fear and doubt.

[jesskayding]

I felt like it was a bit of over acting personally. I love the deductioning in that scene though.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I agree, Sherlock's behavior in that scene struck me as a bit exaggerated and unrealistic.  I will admit, however, that people under great stress often do behave in very odd-looking ways, more so than we're accustomed to seeing on television -- so I suppose it's possible that his behavior was actually too realistic.  If so, I guess I would have reacted more favorably if it had been less realistic -- a bit toned down or more stylized.

 

I remember once seeing an old Saturday-matinee movie serial at a friend's house.  In one scene, a rifle is fired, making a sort of "crack" noise.  We all laughed, because we'd all grown up with television, and were accustomed to gunfire with much more resonance.  Then our host pointed out that, out of doors, a rifle shot at a distance really does sound like "crack," and those of us with any experience had to admit that he was right.  We had just been conditioned to accept the faked-up noise.

 

[T.o.b.y]

I felt like it was a bit of over acting personally. I love the deductioning in that scene though.

 

I have a hunch that Mr C. is liable to be accused of overacting. He's got a very theatrical, Shakespearean style. I bet he did lots of Shakespeare when he was young. It suits me really well, though. He's extremely good at it, and it's very nuanced, and his characters come across as very genuine to me. That last bit, the genuine bit, is what appeals to me the most. He can make me really believe in fantastical creatures like Sherlock or Khan or Smaug, and he can make ordinary people like Mr Tietjens or the main character in Third Star special, and give them a slightly magical air in turn. With his very distinctive look and voice, he's not one of those actors who can easily make me forget them and just see the role, but he can somehow make his version of the role incredibly alive and intense. I can never be indifferent to his characters.

 

I love the scene by the fireside. For me, it's not overdone at all. You should see me when I am upset. Makes Sherlock seem positively subdued.

[Janie]

I felt like it was a bit of over acting personally. I love the deductioning in that scene though.

 

I thought it was over acting too at first but then I thought about it and now I think it was intentional. Sherlock had never felt fear before so naturally he didn't know how to deal with it. Of course he would freak out. And because he's Sherlock Holmes and a drama queen he overdid it. 

[Redbeard]

I didn't find the scene as over acting, just the opposite for me.  It was the moment that made my jaw drop and realize what a damn good actor BC is.  I hadn't seen him show emotion before but when he showed it - WOW - I was unprepared for the depth charge that was.  (I guess I am talking both BC and SH here actually)

[jesskayding]

Well some of us are watching it together in the next 30mins or so. Maybe that part will be pause worthy.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Well some of us are watching it together in the next 30mins or so. Maybe that part will be pause worthy.

 

I'm open to that.  The last time I watched the episode, I stopped and re-wound just so I could catch all of it again.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I guess it goes back to what I said (somewhere around here), that watching actors perform is something like meeting people in real life -- you'll hit it off with some of them better than with others, not necessarily because they're better people, more because they're "your kind of people," whatever that may mean under those particular circumstances.

 

While I generally love what Mr. Cumberbatch does with the role of Sherlock, the "meltdown" scene doesn't do much for me -- just not my kind of intense, I guess.  It's Martin Freeman's John Watson that really grabs me by the gut sometimes.

 

[Arcadia]

I thought it was over acting too at first but then I thought about it and now I think it was intentional. Sherlock had never felt fear before so naturally he didn't know how to deal with it. Of course he would freak out. And because he's Sherlock Holmes and a drama queen he overdid it.

I'm pretty much the same, I thought it a bit over the top at first, but ya gotta love this show .... it really rewards repeated viewings. There's a lot more subtlety to the performance than I realized initially.

[Boton]

 

 

I thought it was over acting too at first but then I thought about it and now I think it was intentional. Sherlock had never felt fear before so naturally he didn't know how to deal with it. Of course he would freak out. 

 

I admit I struggle with that scene a little bit because of trying to get into Sherlock's head and failing, but I've settled on your interpretation:  this is a rare occasion of fear, and it is more of a panic attack than anything.  Heaven knows, I pull some pretty dramatic faces when I have a panic attack.

 

That said, total support for everyone who praised BC's acting here.  His eyes are always what do it for me.  That's not a fan girl comment; I'm an eyes- and hands-watcher.  If an actor can let me see emotion through his eyes and hands, then I will watch him in everything he's cast in.  I think that's what's so brilliant about BC's Sherlock.  He can be delivering lines with a relative monotone (when he needs to do so), be costumed as someone who has carefully constructed his physical facade, and be scripted to be the world's biggest asshole, but those eyes and hands are just alight with emotion.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Benedict, whether as Sherlock or another character, does show a lot of emotion with his eyes and how he does certain movements especially with his hands and face.  I think that is why I like the August 2014 wallpaper from Sherlockology so much.  There is something in the way Benedict is as Sherlock in that picture that totally captures me. It makes me want to go over, give a hug and ask what's up/are you OK.  And in HOB, I see so much of the facial twitching and yet somewhat subtle movements during his fear/doubt that I'm drawn in more.

 

And since I've seen the episode a few times, I now laugh at what John is put through at Baskerville knowing that Sherlock, even though testing a theory, was pranking John.  It was definitely suspenseful the first time and there is still a lot of that suspense still when I re-watch it even with knowing what is going on.

[Saramarie25]

This is probably (and I say probably because my favourite always changes) my favourite Sherlock episode! Maybe because it was also the first book I ever read. I don't know really, I just loved it!

[Schlauer Fuchs]

"Once you rule out the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be true"

 

Does anyone know if this sentence is a reference on something? Maybe the canon? After all he also sends this text to Mycroft in the Pilot. But every time it comes up I go like "no, it hasn't!" for naturally can something be possible but still not true. Sherlock should know that, so why does he say it?

[Pamela]

"Once you rule out the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be true"

 

Does anyone know if this sentence is a reference on something? Maybe the canon? After all he also sends this text to Mycroft in the Pilot. But every time it comes up I go like "no, it hasn't!" for naturally can something be possible but still not true. Sherlock should know that, so why does he say it?

Yes, it's ACD canon.