Episode 2.2 ,"The Hounds Of Baskerville"

[Arcadia]

Not just now, but always ... even the cave men artists were just reimagining what they had seen out in the wild.

[Inge l-w]

Dear Arcadia, kudos! You share a characteristic with Sherlock: you WILL have the last word!

The series actually didn't say "based upon the works of ACD" , it said "by Sir Arthur Consn Doyle", and there were even cases where the obsessive main character would substitute the original dialogue's lines for what was in the script, no doubt driving the creative team crazy, but it was definitely not plundering, looting, scavenging, magpying. It was an honest effort to render into visual art what still is one of the best detective series ever written.

[Arcadia]

Now I'm really confused!! If you don't think it's plundering, looting, etc., why do you keep saying that it is? Or am I missing some sarcasm? It can be easy to miss in writing. (I should know! :p )

[Inge l-w]

Nope! No sarcasm intended, especially towards you. I was still talking about the Granada series, not THIS version, where there has been some heavy-handed lifting without proper attribution.

For example, forgetting the Granada series, the line in TEH about a tuxedo lending distinction to friends and anonymity to waiters is lifted straight from G.K Chesterton's Father Brown story The Queer Feet.

[Carol the Dabbler]

... I have never heard or seen them acknowledge the work of John Hawkesworth, or the Granada series, which was his adaptation....  Even in the Christmas Special teaser they used some of the music, but not enough to have to pay for copyright, just to lure the fans! On the contrary, they eulogise that rather mediocre Wilder film at every opportunity!

 

That's an interesting point.  They have clearly borrowed some bits from Granada (e.g., the entire look and feel of the scene in "Reichenbach" where the kidnapped children are located is a modernized version of the analogous scene in Grenada's adaptation of "The Priory School," which differs significantly from Conan Doyle at that point).  Yet they rarely mention that series.  Perhaps they don't feel they need to, because it's so well known already -- whereas the Wilder film is not, so they like to give it a plug whenever they can.

 

... the line in TEH about a tuxedo lending distinction to friends and anonymity to waiters is lifted straight from G.K Chesterton's Father Brown story The Queer Feet.

 

I haven't read that story, but judging by the passages I've found online (such as here), what Sherlock says is by no means a quote from that story.  As far as I can tell, the only similarity is that both Sherlock and Father Brown notice that you can't tell the difference between a distinguished diner and a waiter by their clothing, and I'm sure they're not the only two people who have ever noticed that.

[Carol the Dabbler]

How does Dr. Louise Mortimer (Henry's therapist) get John's cell-phone number in order to phone him after Henry attacks her?  I've been trying various scenarios off and on for quite some time now, and can't get anything to make sense.  Ideas, anyone?

[SherlockedCAMPer]

My best guess was during their dinner at the restaurant despite Dr. Frankland implying otherwise on John's & Sherlock's relationship.

[Arcadia]

Maybe he gave her his business card when he introduced himself to her in the pub? Oh, wait, I'm thinking of his id card, which he would, of course, not leave with her.... Hm. Well, maybe she has an eidetic memory?

[Van Buren Supernova]

Sounds right, I imagine John would try to find a way to keep in touch.

 

My unimportant unanswered questions about this episode are:

 

Why doesn't that guy (who has the paw print & story) conduct a 'tour' at night. I think that could be a way for him to make money and keep the interest, it fits his character. Or maybe the guys in the inn, after all, they go quite far to torment Henry to make sure the story stays.

 

And why on earth those people don't find a better, less scary place to do their..uhm...UMQRA?

 

And why doesn't Henry Knight takes train? He is rich, and he wants to get to Sherlock fast.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Henry did take the train to get to 221B as his pathetic breakfast was mentioned.

[Carol the Dabbler]

How does Dr. Louise Mortimer (Henry's therapist) get John's cell-phone number in order to phone him after Henry attacks her?  I've been trying various scenarios off and on for quite some time now, and can't get anything to make sense.  Ideas, anyone?

My best guess was during their dinner at the restaurant despite Dr. Frankland implying otherwise on John's & Sherlock's relationship.

Maybe he gave her his business card when he introduced himself to her in the pub?

 

Doesn't "here's my phone number" usually come at the end of a (successful) evening?

 But yeah, if he was introducing himself as a fellow doctor, he might well have given her his business card right away, to establish his credentials.  Lucky for her she didn't throw it back in his face after Frankland blew his cover!

 

And why doesn't Henry Knight takes train? He is rich, and he wants to get to Sherlock fast.

 

Did you mean to say why does he (wait to) take the morning train (as opposed to driving to London that night)?  Maybe he doesn't have a car?  Cars seem to be pretty optional in the UK, with a number of people not even knowing how to drive one.  Heck, if I lived there, I might hang up my car keys, considering how convenient their train and bus service is.

[Van Buren Supernova]

Yes, thank you Carol, that is what I meant. I miss-put a note, was saying that it's more likely that Henry would have a car or someway to travel other than next morning train.

[Poise]

Personally it was one of the Best episodes od Sherlock BBC.While watching it, I got a little anxious about sherlock being on the verge of breakdown. Fortunately, he mamaged to maintain common sense and keep doing what he used to do. Another thing, though more positive this time which

I vividly remember is the scene, when Watson is preety certain that he noticed something that would prove useful to the case (it was a slight light over the horizon) and that he gained the genius of Sherlock, However it turned out that it wasthe light he saw, coming from the cars. Though Watson undoubtedly felt unwillingness, I found it quite amusing.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Yeah, poor John!  He does spot some useful information now and then, but that night certainly wasn't one of them.

 

That scene is a take-off on the Conan Doyle story, by the way.  In the original, Seldon was an escapee from the local prison (which is in fact a real-life prison).  He was hiding out on the moor, and his sister would communicate with him via lantern signals as to when it was safe for him to come to her house for something to eat.  In the episode, the innkeeper mentions the prison, so anyone who's familiar with the story will be expecting Seldon-the-escapee to show up.  But instead, it's an innocent Mr. Seldon who's merely having sex with his girlfriend in his car (and keeps getting his belt caught on the headlight control).

[Arcadia]

Sounds right, I imagine John would try to find a way to keep in touch.

 

My unimportant unanswered questions about this episode are:

 

Why doesn't that guy (who has the paw print & story) conduct a 'tour' at night. I think that could be a way for him to make money and keep the interest, it fits his character. Or maybe the guys in the inn, after all, they go quite far to torment Henry to make sure the story stays.

Maybe he does and we just weren't shown. Or maybe he was just too scared.

[J.P.]

BTW, don't you think the Hound shrinked after death? The paw print would suggest it had a size of a horse. :P

[Carol the Dabbler]

I suspect either a] Fletch faked that print in order to drum up business, or more likely b] someone else faked it (presumably either Bob Frankland or the innkeepers) and Fletch was honestly fooled.

[Arcadia]

This is interesting ... I'm watching an episode of Inspector Morse, and he's out in the country, and the sound effects are just like in THoB ... that screechy sound (owl?) and the "thrum thrum" that turns out to be water drops on metal. Are these common sounds out in the English countryside? Hey, lookie, even the pub looks familiar!

[J.P.]

Maybe they are just the sounds from BBC sound archive?

[Arcadia]

Randomly selected? :D

[J.P.]

Could be :P

[Boton]

Maybe they are just the sounds from BBC sound archive?

 

 

And 5 sound files. 

[Arcadia]

[sfmpco]

Just popping 'round to say hello.  Also wondering... where do you think Moriarty was being held in prison at the end of THOB?  The bowels of MI5?

[Pseudonym]

Was the cell phone deduction cut from the American showing?