Episode 3.2, "The Sign of Three"

[Arcadia]

Someone may have solved the burning question of just what Sherlock is saying when he gets into the pub brawl on stag night. They've removed the music from the soundtrack so you can hear the dialog better ...
http://miss-dramateen.tumblr.com/post/100573330726

[T.o.b.y]

Within each style, there are two types of waltz: slow and Viennese.   The difference is the tempo, and therefore the faster VW requires different step patterns in part to handle the speed.  I honestly don't know what Sherlock was trying to teach Janine to The Blue Danube, but it really wasn't a VW (as it should have been) and no wonder the poor girl was having trouble following.   ;)

 

My impression was that he was trying to get her to understand just the basic concept of one one-two-three. When I first learned to waltz, people didn't bother with tempo or the particulars either, they taught me in a similar way and then once I got that right I was shown how there are actually two rather different waltz dances (plus country waltzes).

 

He certainly taught John something right. He and Mary might not have any kind of a chance in a competition, but I think they made a very sweet wedding couple.

 

[nini]

Hey, I don’t know if this was said somewhere here, because this topic is soooo long  but do you think that Jonathan Small who was trying to kill Sholto on Mary’s and John’s wedding can be connected to A.G.R.A.? I mean, what if Magnussen somehow sent Small as an assassin? Magnussen wanted to destroy Mary’s new life and death of Sholto would certainly do that. Also, that would explain, why Mary was hoping for Sholto not to come to the wedding (and that would explain why she remembered number of the room he stayed – just in case of trouble).

Moreover, Small doesn’t act like a person who wants ravage for Sholto’s mistakes. He is too cold, too calculating. He is not driven by emotions.

If it would be that way… Small and Marry could have similar past with A.G.R.A (?) Both working for this organization (or whatever it is). What do you think?

[Pamela]

Why would Sholto's death destroy Mary's life? Sholto was important to John, not to Mary. And I don't remember Mary hoping Sholto wouldn't come to the wedding.

[nini]

Mary loves John, that's obvious (so she wants to protect him from her past) and death of someone so important for John would make the wedding as the worst start for her new life... or am I overthinking?

And yeah, she repeated few times "he (Sholto) won't come to the wedding"/ "he would told us already if he's going to be there", "he needs to respond for the invitation ASAP" -  something like that - and she was looking at John as she wonted to get this info out of him. 

[Pamela]

 

Mary loves John, that's obvious (so she wants to protect him from her past) and death of someone so important for John would make the wedding as the worst start for her new life... or am I overthinking?

And yeah, she repeated few times "he (Sholto) won't come to the wedding"/ "he would told us already if he's going to be there", "he needs to respond for the invitation ASAP" -  something like that - and she was looking at John as she wonted to get this info out of him. 

 

First point - yes, Sholto's death would upset her because it would upset John - but "destroy her life?" 

 

Secondly, yes, she didn't think he would come, but I don't think that meant she didn't want him to come.

[Amber§]

Yes, I agree with Pamela, and I thought that, on the contrary, Mary was sorry for John that Sholto wouldn't have come, because she knew that John cared about him

[Carol the Dabbler]

Someone may have solved the burning question of just what Sherlock is saying when he gets into the pub brawl on stag night. They've removed the music from the soundtrack so you can hear the dialog better ...

http://miss-dramateen.tumblr.com/post/100573330726

Thank you!

 

I didn't read the comments on that page (don't have much patience for that sort of thing when using my cellphone), but I am about 85% certain that he said

 

Ashtray

 

 

What do the rest of you think?

[Carol the Dabbler]

I believe I've already bitched here about John taking the sergeant's word that the guardsman was dead. (I don't blame him for this, by the way ... he's not an incompetent doctor, he's just written that way. Besides, when people fall down on television, they're *always* dead.) That was bad enough, but last night it occurred to me that he also did something even more bone-headed.

 

Once he realizes that the man is still alive, he tells Sherlock to keep pressure on his wound, which is good ... but with his scarf?! There are at least two problems with that:

 

1) Who knows where it's been? Well, yeah, it's Sherlock's scarf, so it's presumably not filthy ... but still...!

 

2) Even worse, it's bound to be absorbent. When they advise putting pressure on a wound with a clean handkerchief, the assumption is that it's cleaner than your hand. The point is NOT to absorb the blood, but rather to apply fairly direct pressure ... which would be nearly impossible with that big fluffy scarf.

 

It'd be nice if they used a medical advisor, and I assume a number of well-qualified fans would gladly do it for free. Maybe they're more concerned about leaks than about medical accuracy? (After all, this isn't a doctor show. It isn't even a show about a doctor, at least not exactly.)

[T.o.b.y]

I believe I've already bitched here about John taking the sergeant's word that the guardsman was dead. (I don't blame him for this, by the way ... he's not an incompetent doctor, he's just written that way. Besides, when people fall down on television, they're *always* dead.) That was bad enough, but last night it occurred to me that he also did something even more bone-headed.

 

Once he realizes that the man is still alive, he tells Sherlock to keep pressure on his wound, which is good ... but with his scarf?! There are at least two problems with that:

 

1) Who knows where it's been? Well, yeah, it's Sherlock's scarf, so it's presumably not filthy ... but still...!

 

2) Even worse, it's bound to be absorbent. When they advise putting pressure on a wound with a clean handkerchief, the assumption is that it's cleaner than your hand. The point is NOT to absorb the blood, but rather to apply fairly direct pressure ... which would be nearly impossible with that big fluffy scarf.

 

It'd be nice if they used a medical advisor, and I assume a number of well-qualified fans would gladly do it for free. Maybe they're more concerned about leaks than about medical accuracy? (After all, this isn't a doctor show. It isn't even a show about a doctor, at least not exactly.)

 

Funny, the medical inaccuracies don't bother me a bit on Sherlock, even though on any other show, it would drive me up the wall. I seem to just accept that it takes place in a kind of a parallel universe that works sort of like ours, but not really.

:lol:

[Arcadia]

 

Someone may have solved the burning question of just what Sherlock is saying when he gets into the pub brawl on stag night. They've removed the music from the soundtrack so you can hear the dialog better ...

http://miss-dramateen.tumblr.com/post/100573330726

Thank you!

 

I didn't read the comments on that page (don't have much patience for that sort of thing when using my cellphone), but I am about 85% certain that he said

 

Ashtray

 

 

What do the rest of you think?

 

That's what I hear too, although it doesn't make perfect sense. But he is drunk.

 

 

I believe I've already bitched here about John taking the sergeant's word that the guardsman was dead. (I don't blame him for this, by the way ... he's not an incompetent doctor, he's just written that way. Besides, when people fall down on television, they're *always* dead.) That was bad enough, but last night it occurred to me that he also did something even more bone-headed.

 

Once he realizes that the man is still alive, he tells Sherlock to keep pressure on his wound, which is good ... but with his scarf?! There are at least two problems with that:

 

1) Who knows where it's been? Well, yeah, it's Sherlock's scarf, so it's presumably not filthy ... but still...!

 

2) Even worse, it's bound to be absorbent. When they advise putting pressure on a wound with a clean handkerchief, the assumption is that it's cleaner than your hand. The point is NOT to absorb the blood, but rather to apply fairly direct pressure ... which would be nearly impossible with that big fluffy scarf.

 

It'd be nice if they used a medical advisor, and I assume a number of well-qualified fans would gladly do it for free. Maybe they're more concerned about leaks than about medical accuracy? (After all, this isn't a doctor show. It isn't even a show about a doctor, at least not exactly.)

 

Funny, the medical inaccuracies don't bother me a bit on Sherlock, even though on any other show, it would drive me up the wall. I seem to just accept that it takes place in a kind of a parallel universe that works sort of like ours, but not really.

:lol:

I'm sort of with Toby on this one, but if I had to come up with a real world explanation, it would be -- what else would he use? Maybe John knows Sherlock never carries a hanky? And I'd guess even a fluffy scarf would be better than hands alone, because, uhm, eh...... reasons.

[Carol the Dabbler]

The point is, you don't have to use anything ... just your hand is fine, especially if the alternative is letting someone bleed to death. A handkerchief is merely a readily available clean surface, and Sherlock's scarf is presumably no cleaner than his hand.

 

An absorbent surface is likely to do more harm than good, by encouraging the flow of blood. A friend's mother fell and got a nasty gash on her head, so she held a bath towel on it while her husband drove her to the emergency room. The doctor chewed her out for that ... and I seriously doubt that he'd have liked Sherlock's scarf much better.

[Van Buren Supernova]

I have taken few first responder courses over many years and everytime there is something different.

 

One of the earlier course actually recommends sanitary pad (and of course it is very absorbent material) for bleeding wound (in remote area where access to help is mostly hours away), it is one of the regular item in first aid box for wound dressing purpose.

 

In later course (more general, in so-called urban area situations where real help is a phone call away) there is no mention but still, it is recommended to use something, mostly fabric or wound dressing to apply pressure, bare hand is last option as if possible, it's preferable not to get in contact with stranger's blood or any body fluid. Even in emergency CPR, responders have right to refuse administering breath resuscitation if no barrier is available (those silicon/plastic piece between responder and victim's mouth).

 

However, those courses are hardly consistent over time.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Oh, good point about fluid contact. Shows you how long ago my last first-aid class was! Still, they wouldn't recommend an absorbent pad on a gushing wound, would they? Or has the focus shifted that radically toward the safety of the responder?

[Van Buren Supernova]

Actually I think they do, still recomending absorbent pad. It could probably help more to stop blood flow and encourage blood clotting agent to kick in.

Elevating the wound above the heart helps or even tying limbs using torniquet to restrict bloodflow but the later has to be practiced carefully as it is risky.

Those are what I remember though, not sure if it changes again.

 

About safety moving toward responder, I think it's correct. In later course we were told repeatedly that helping is optional, as apparently there are quite a lot of cases that the responders are being blamed for various reasons, and of course, higher risk of contagious diseases.

 

On the latest course I was mildly scolded for this scenario: accident, victim trapped in car, there is fire. Apparently we are not supposes to attempt help because it's highly dangerous when fire presents as explosion might occur. However, it still has some flexibilities depends on your own analysis, case to case basis. I would imagine that it's difficut to be there and see helpless victim while not trying to actively do something beside calling for emergency. Few seconds matter a lot athough it also could mean being blown up to bits together I guess.

[Carol the Dabbler]

It's a sad world when one doesn't dare try helping for fear of being blamed if the outcome isn't perfect. A friend of mine is a registered nurse, and I asked him once what he'd do if (while on his own time) he came upon the scene of an accident. (Some doctors had been sued recently for poor outcomes in cases where they'd been nice enough to stop and try to help.). My friend said he'd stop and say he knew some first aid (which was true of course) and ask if they'd like some help. But he would NOT say a word about being a nurse.

[Van Buren Supernova]

Yes, it's happening. I think it's also sad that there are people who sue those who intend to help. I read somewhere that someone being sued because of broken ribs that occurred when he performed CPR. While I understand that it is very necessary to really know what you are doing, choosing between losing life and good-intention-broken-ribs is quite obvious to me.

 

Anyway, my vet friend chose not to stop and help when she encountered an accident, she saw the victim lying and convulsing on the road. But there were already many people around and they were doing something, she said the ambulance was approaching as she could hear the sound. But nevertheless, she felt guilty and wondered if she should stop, although she is a vet, maybe she knows a thing or two more than average people. I happened to pass by the same road not long after, and didn't see the victim, I believe the ambulance should be there already by then. So at least I got to ensure her that the victim had gotten helps.

For me, I wish I would never be in that situation as it would be scary.

 

Anyway, not so fun fact, I am not sure how true it is, this is told my two separate acquaintances who are seasoned sailors and one of them is a very active SAR squad, for sailors, their code is when they found victim at the sea, they have to perform breath resuscitation regardless the victim's condition (yes, eventhough he/she is obviously dead or very very dead or long dead). 

[Carol the Dabbler]

I guess there's obvious and then there's obvious, and the navy is taking no chances.  But still -- ewww!

 

[Van Buren Supernova]

Yes.. ew..

Because I was asking two different people I kind of believe the information but not fully yet, I would love to ask more people with sailor or rescuer backgrounds.

[Pseudonym]

Who is Archie? And why was he left alone with a man who calls himself a sociopath and even to a casual observer comes across as, in the very least, a bit odd. I'm guessing since Mary has no family it's either a child of one of her friends, which makes leaving him with a random vaguely associated bloke even weirder, or someone relating to John, who's friends and relatives would also not know Sherlock. Bit weird. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Maybe Mum hadn't met Sherlock?  Could be that Mary heard her say she needed a babysitter, and volunteered Sherlock.  (I can't imagine John doing that, for any number of reasons.)

 

In any case, I hope we'll see Archie again.

[Inge l-w]

Well, by the putative S5, both he and Louis Moffat will have started college or be on their gap year! There is some lovely Archie-centred fan fiction by Jolie_Black on Ao3.

[Pseudonym]

Maybe I'm less trusting but I don't know I'd leave my kid with a random bloke just on someone's say-so he was ok.

[Redbeard]

Maybe I'm less trusting but I don't know I'd leave my kid with a random bloke just on someone's say-so he was ok.

 

Was Sherlock kind of famous by then though?  If so, maybe they were just excited for Archie that he would get to spend time with such a famous detective who they associated with being one of the good guys.  You know how people confer a kind of trust onto celebrities (like Culverton Smith :o ).  

[Pseudonym]

I don't know, maybe. I was under the impression the press had moved on and he'd been mostly forgotten about by then.