Moffat's "we've missed it" statement...

[clavery111]

We don't see the face of the person interviewing Anderson/Benji either.  

 

As for the top 3 ideas, I honest don't think we've missed anything.  Everything has been discussed on this forum.

we don't see Mary's face during the interview w/ Anderson/Benji but.... she then shows up at Leinster Gardens thus giving her away to us.

[Boton]

 

We don't see the face of the person interviewing Anderson/Benji either.  

 

As for the top 3 ideas, I honest don't think we've missed anything.  Everything has been discussed on this forum.

we don't see Mary's face during the interview w/ Anderson/Benji but.... she then shows up at Leinster Gardens thus giving her away to us.

 

 

I could have sworn we saw the side of Mary's face, or a cutaway of her nodding, or something like that?  But Clavery is right; the interview takes place and then it's Mary who shows up at Leinster Gardens, so it has to be her doing the interview.

[Pseudonym]

Just wondering, why would Sherlock still be using Molly's house as a bolt hole when he's living on his own in Baker Street? Surely he can just shut himself away there, John doesn't seem that insistent that he'd force his way in being newly wed and all, and Mycroft has his own life going on. 

[sfmpco]

Well, Sherlock is a bit of a celebrity, so if he felt the need to escape people coming to his door, and he needed places to just shut it all out and decompress, then bolt holes would be necessary.  Behind the clock face Big Ben... well, that would be a very noisy one, but I did manage to find a use for it in one of my stories, though it wasn't for peace and quiet, obviously.

 

Sherlock is very precise, however, when he says, "I knew you'd talk to the people no one else would bother with."  Plural.  You could say that Anderson/Benji is plural, but it would include Molly.

 

The interesting thing about the stories from Molly and Anderson is that both of them had a slight change of story.  Molly starts off saying that his bolt hole was her spare bedroom, then corrects it to her bedroom.  Anderson/Benji have the stalked version that gets changed to the followed version.  So there was a bit of nervousness with the unseen interviewer.

[Arcadia]

Since Lestrade and Mycroft's minions aren't in the episode, that is really stretching it.

Not at all. First, Lestrade IS in the episode, in the scene prior to the one we're talking about, and at first I thought he was, in fact, the person asking questions, until Mary shows up at Leinster Gardens. And just because we don't see something in the episode doesn't mean it isn't there. We know Mycroft doesn't like "legwork", I don't think it's stretching it to assume he has people who do that for him.

 

In many ways, John is blind to Molly, not Sherlock in TAB.  After all, Sherlock is telling the story in TAB so he can't be blind to her.  John, however, wouldn't question Molly in HLV because he is blind.  Lestrade and Mycroft wouldn't have either.  Also blind because that's the front Sherlock puts up - she doesn't mean anything to me.  But Mary would see something different.  Women's intuition.  For Sherlock to let Molly slap him and not even raise a hand to defend himself tells Mary there is a deeper friendship between the two than John gives them credit for.

 

Yes, I agree it is possible that he used her place as a bolt hole after the jump, but if he weren't still using it, I doubt she would have mentioned it at all.

I think John is quite well aware of Molly's feelings for Sherlock. For example, look at his face when Sherlock's ripping Molly apart at the Christmas party. He knows from the moment the subject comes up who her gift is for. (And I secretly think that's why he never hit on her; she's Sherlock's girl. )

 

As for the top 3 ideas, I honest don't think we've missed anything.  Everything has been discussed on this forum.

Discussed, yes. (Maybe. I mean ... everything?) But that doesn't mean we've hit on what Moffat's referring to.

 

Just wondering, why would Sherlock still be using Molly's house as a bolt hole when he's living on his own in Baker Street? Surely he can just shut himself away there, John doesn't seem that insistent that he'd force his way in being newly wed and all, and Mycroft has his own life going on.

I've always thought a bolt hole was where you went to hide, especially when you're in a hurry to do so and don't have time to plan for anything better -- such as when there's a killer on your trail. Everyone knows Sherlock lives at 221B, so he can't hide there. I would imagine he has bolt holes all over London, so that there's one always near by when he needs to disappear.

[jadpdr]

And what about monitoring baby brother and all the CCTV footage Sherlock has to evade if he wants to disappear?

[sfmpco]

And what about monitoring baby brother and all the CCTV footage Sherlock has to evade if he wants to disappear?

 

Well, if we are to believe Mycroft's statement of "it would take Sherlock Holmes to fool me" at the end of ASIB, then Sherlock IS able to do things without big brother knowing - like rescuing Irene.  Unless Mycroft was lying to John.  But I like the idea of Sherlock being able to do things under Mycroft's radar and being able to fool his big brother.

[Arcadia]

Amen!
 
And aha! I see now where I got the idea it was Lestrade who was interviewing everyone:
 
LESTRADE: He’s got three known bolt holes ...
(They walk away from the hospital, Greg holding his phone to his ear.)
LESTRADE: Parliament Hill, Camden Lock and Dagmar Court.
MYCROFT: Five known bolt holes.
(He is sitting at his desk in his office at The Diogenes Club .... Greg is standing at the other side of the table.)
MYCROFT: There’s the blind greenhouse in Kew Gardens and the leaning tomb in Hampstead Cemetery.

 

So Mycroft does know where some of Sherlock's boltholes are. He just doesn't know all of them.

 

Sherlock says he chose Leinster Gardens for the irony -- it too has a false facade -- but I'm willing to bet he knows exactly which boltholes are known to whom, and therefore stayed far away from them for this particular rendezvous.

[clavery111]

and in the commentary, they say it is the ONLY scene (pre-TAB) between Mycroft and Lestrade.  

 

If you haven't seen this scene, go watch it again --- Mycroft gives a very condescending wee wave w/ one hand to Lestrade once he finishes talking.  As if to say, "get outta here you minion I have important things to do and you... don't"

[clavery111]

And what about monitoring baby brother and all the CCTV footage Sherlock has to evade if he wants to disappear?

Mofftiss taking literary license when it suits them... in real life, yes, CCTV would and could be used w face recognition software to find Sherlock but.... this is Moffitss world and "real life" only comes into it when they want it to.  

 

It strikes me that watching and thinking about Sherlock and his world becomes a game of reading/navigating the Mofftiss mind rather than any reality as we know it.

[clavery111]

We don't see the face of the person interviewing Anderson/Benji either.  

 

As for the top 3 ideas, I honest don't think we've missed anything.  Everything has been discussed on this forum.

a list? a file?

[J.P.]

and in the commentary, they say it is the ONLY scene (pre-TAB) between Mycroft and Lestrade.  

 

If you haven't seen this scene, go watch it again --- Mycroft gives a very condescending wee wave w/ one hand to Lestrade once he finishes talking.  As if to say, "get outta here you minion I have important things to do and you... don't"

 

Yes, and I'm still not over it. What is HE doing while his little brother is missing.

He doesn't care or he knows all the details. Or maybe he's too busy preventing some global catastrophe...

[Arcadia]

It strikes me that watching and thinking about Sherlock and his world becomes a game of reading/navigating the Mofftiss mind rather than any reality as we know it.

Alas, I'm afraid you are right! :D

 

 

and in the commentary, they say it is the ONLY scene (pre-TAB) between Mycroft and Lestrade.  

 

If you haven't seen this scene, go watch it again --- Mycroft gives a very condescending wee wave w/ one hand to Lestrade once he finishes talking.  As if to say, "get outta here you minion I have important things to do and you... don't"

 

Yes, and I'm still not over it. What is HE doing while his little brother is missing.

He doesn't care or he knows all the details. Or maybe he's too busy preventing some global catastrophe...

 

Yeah, that's a weird little detail, and yet another reason why I have trouble trusting Mycroft. What could be so important that it's okay to be dismissive of Lestrade that way, especially since it involves his little brother he cares so much about? Very mysterious.....

[clavery111]

I've begun to think there is a Mycroft-Magnussen evil plot....  only Mycroft knew about Redbeard, and it is kept in pink notebook in his inside pocket.  Thus no one can read it surreptitiously ... yet Magnussen knew about Redbeard!  And Sherlock suspected Mycroft was "under his thumb"....  

 

Maybe this is the plot point that "no one has picked up on?"  

 

Okay, how about this topic then:  WHAT "exactly" is Moriarity going to do "now"?  as Sherlock said at the end of TAB.  It's really driving me kerazy! What? Who? Where? Wha????

[Carol the Dabbler]

I've begun to think there is a Mycroft-Magnussen evil plot....  only Mycroft knew about Redbeard, and it is kept in pink notebook in his inside pocket.  Thus no one can read it surreptitiously ... yet Magnussen knew about Redbeard!  And Sherlock suspected Mycroft was "under his thumb".... 

 

Surely other people know about Redbeard as well:  Mum and Dad Holmes, minimally (plus don't forget that Mum, like all the women in Sherlock, has some sort of mysterious past).  Then there was presumably a veterinarian.  And you know how the neighbors will talk....

[clavery111]

 

I've begun to think there is a Mycroft-Magnussen evil plot....  only Mycroft knew about Redbeard, and it is kept in pink notebook in his inside pocket.  Thus no one can read it surreptitiously ... yet Magnussen knew about Redbeard!  And Sherlock suspected Mycroft was "under his thumb".... 

 

Surely other people know about Redbeard as well:  Mum and Dad Holmes, minimally (plus don't forget that Mum, like all the women in Sherlock, has some sort of mysterious past).  Then there was presumably a veterinarian.  And you know how the neighbors will talk....

 

Oh, I meant only Mycroft knew that Redbeard was Sherlock's soft spot, his Achille's heel, or  his "pressure point" as Magnussen had it.  Parents, vet, neighbors aren't going to know about that intimate history and meaning.   So far, at least, Mofftiss have only shown us Mycroft and Magnussen as knowing this aspect. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Ah, I see.  Yes, that may well be true.  Though I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Mum & Dad, the veterinarian, and/or neighbors being more observant than the Holmes brothers would give them credit for (emotion isn't their strong suit, after all).

[Arcadia]

 

I've begun to think there is a Mycroft-Magnussen evil plot....  only Mycroft knew about Redbeard, and it is kept in pink notebook in his inside pocket.  Thus no one can read it surreptitiously ... yet Magnussen knew about Redbeard!  And Sherlock suspected Mycroft was "under his thumb".... 

 

Surely other people know about Redbeard as well:  Mum and Dad Holmes, minimally (plus don't forget that Mum, like all the women in Sherlock, has some sort of mysterious past).  Then there was presumably a veterinarian.  And you know how the neighbors will talk....

 

Molly has a mysterious past? (Of course, I suppose Moftiss think all women are mysterious... ;) )

[Carol the Dabbler]

Surely other people know about Redbeard as well:  Mum and Dad Holmes, minimally (plus don't forget that Mum, like all the women in Sherlock, has some sort of mysterious past).  Then there was presumably a veterinarian.  And you know how the neighbors will talk....

Molly has a mysterious past?

One might have expressed the same skepticism about Mrs. Hudson or Mary, once upon a time.

[clavery111]

Well,she did have a boyfriend at work who turned out to be a murderous psychopath?

[sfmpco]

I am wondering about Sherlock's comments in TEH when he's going through his wall of rats that he's keeping track of...

 

"...if this man cancels his paper... if this woman leaves London without putting her dog in kennel, I need to know. There are certain people. They are markers.  If they start to move, I'll know something is up."

 

So who are these people... what network are they part of?

[Arcadia]

Not necessarily part of a network, I would say, but  movers and shakers in their own particular circle, maybe?

[Pseudonym]

Yea, I don't think they're part of a network or organised in any way, I think they're just people who are likely to hear things, and know when there is trouble on the way.

[clavery111]

Other than Lord Moran, who was up on that wall too, I don't think the others will have any role to play.  Could be wrong - it's all up to Mofftiss, of course.  But at least so far, it's only Moran who figured in a story.  I felt it was a way for the show to get in many actors from minority groups to meet quotas actually.  

[sfmpco]

I'm just saying, that if Moftiss thinks we've missed it, we haven't.