Moffat's "we've missed it" statement...

[Pseudonym]

Well yea, a bit of that too :D

[sfmpco]

I've been wondering... why does Molly have Mrs. Hudson's phone number?  Aside from the Christmas scene in ASIB, they had no othe scenes together.  But Molly calls Mrs. Hudson when she's worried about Sherlock giving his best man speech.  Why does she have her number?

[J.P.]

Because they all become one big family?

[Pseudonym]

Perhaps the guilt of knowing what really happened when Sherlock was dead had Molly checking up on Mrs Hudson to make sure she was ok?

[Arcadia]

I was a bit surprised by that too, but I'm happy with both those theories. But really, how hard is it to look up a phone number? Oh, wait ... was Mrs. H using a mobile? In that case, I retract my statement.  (Showing my age, here.... :( )

[Van Buren Supernova]

I think Molly befriends Mrs.Hudson more closely so that she knows when Sherlock is finally back.

She knows he is not dead after all, and Baker Street is where he would go.

 

That also means Molly still thinks there is possibility that Sherlock doesn't bother to inform her personally, while on the other hand, apparently Sherlock does and pays her special visit, first one after John.

She does count. (s?)

I think so! (This should redeem me a bit outside my Sherlolly skepticism, for a while)

 

But really, how hard is it to look up a phone number? Oh, wait ... was Mrs. H using a mobile? In that case,   I retract my statement.  (Showing my age, here.... :( )

[Arcadia]

Ow. My head is getting sore.

[J.P.]

Here, have a helmet

[clavery111]

What does Moffat think we've missed?  

#1.  Baron Maupertius and his colossal scheme coming back to bite us

#2.  Why/how does Magnussen know about "redbeard" since Mycroft keeps that pink notebook on his person ie. Mycroft - Magnussen link

#3.  TV screens only w/ Moriarity image not other screens ie. computers, phones, etc.  Only broadcast tv has been hijacked by someone in the media  (Magnussen ring any bells?)

 

[Arcadia]

Maybe not Redbeard, because he/she/it has been discussed to death; i.e., not "missed". But the other two, yeah, good ones. Did Sherlock really complete his mission before he was captured? Or just think that he did?

[J.P.]

That's the question, Arcadia.

[Arcadia]

Why, thank you! I have my moments. Alas, they are few and far between, but when I have them, they are ... moments. :p

[sfmpco]

There were a couple of things from HLV that I missed and discovered in the last few days.  Just bits of dialogue that flew by me.  For example, Sherlock saying to Mary as she was entering Leinster Gardens, that he had counted on her being clever and that's why he PLANTED info for her to find.  So if indeed Mary interviewed Molly, then Molly's statement of her flat being a bolt-hole may not be true.  But if it isn't true, then she has lied for him (well, it wouldn't be the first time in a way since she kept quiet for 2 years about his faked death).  It would explain her nervousness in telling Mary because she may not be a good liar (but Mary apparently bought it), instead of her embarrassment to tell Mary such a private, secret thing which could have other connotations.  AND if Sherlock planted that information with Molly for Mary to find, then what reason did he give Molly to say it?  In other words, did he say, "The person who shot me is going to try to find me, and I need you to say this..." in which case Molly would realize that Mary was his shooter, making her even more nervous with her story....

 

Leinster Gardens, however, WAS a true bolt hole as he owned it, so that story that he gave to Anderson was true, but then what story would he have told Anderson?  

 

So I'm not discounting Molly's bolt hole story as being entirely fictitious.  I actually think it's true.  Maybe he told her that it was okay to reveal it.

 

Then the question would be... if he didn't tell Molly that Mary might be coming, what clue did he leave Mary to make her think to go to Molly in the first place?  Certainly he would never have put Molly in danger.

[Van Buren Supernova]

If I remember correctly, I thought Anderson found out because he was stalking following Sherlock. I could be wrong.

 

I guess Sherlock should know he was being followed but let it happened anyway for any possible future use, like this scenario. He could have tens of other bolt holes that nobody knows, like me

[sfmpco]

If I remember correctly, I thought Anderson found out because he was stalking following Sherlock. I could be wrong.

 

I guess Sherlock should know he was being followed but let it happened anyway for any possible future use, like this scenario. He could have tens of other bolt holes that nobody knows, like me

 

Stalking... yes, that was Anderson's story... but was that a planted story?

[Van Buren Supernova]

You are saying that Sherlock told them that in case of anyone asking.. there is always a possibility I think.

 

Although I find it tiny bit hard to believe that Sherlock would trust them, it's also probably not worth them fussing about Sherlock wound and his physical state, and knowing them, they could put two and two together would do something about it then let Sherlock by himself.

 

Actually I am wondering why Mycroft never asks them. They are the ones he contacted in the beginning anyway, he is supposed to be the smartest one, isn't he?

 

I don't think Molly or anyone are in danger at that moment because Mary knows that Sherlock hasn't told anyone, yet. She is hiding behind a mask of worried friend while acquiring information.

 

In my head, Molly is telling the truth though, although I think it's kind of rude if Molly has to go out her room whenever Sherlock wants to be there (that's my impression). Or maybe not? Maybe they sit quietly together? That's nice. If Sherlock needs a homy private space away from John, I can see that.

[sfmpco]

My head canon on the Molly bolt-hole idea is that he never used her place as a bolt hole until after John and Mary were married - so a brief time.  Maybe less than a month and only a few days in that month.  He wouldn't have used her place during the time she was with Tom, it seems.  Certainly not before TRF.

[J.P.]

I think it was Mary who talked to the "fans" -> she was clever to ask the right people.

But I don't understand the planting of information. This would mean that Sherlock Anderson & Co to help him out of the hospital...

If Anderson followed him once (before he's got shot) would imply the whole thing was a part of a bigger plan.

[Pseudonym]

I always imagined he took over Molly's place just after the fall, as a place to lie low before being flown off elsewhere - not sure why they wouldn't get him out of the country asap though. Or maybe he had to come back to London once or twice whilst he was 'dead' and needed somewhere to crash.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I always imagined he took over Molly's place just after the fall, as a place to lie low before being flown off elsewhere - not sure why they wouldn't get him out of the country asap though. Or maybe he had to come back to London once or twice whilst he was 'dead' and needed somewhere to crash.

Right! Surely "the one who mattered most" contributed more than a scarcely-necessary corpse.

[Boton]

I think the only one that Mary interviewed was Anderson, and that Sherlock allowed Anderson to stalk  follow him because he had planned in advance for the possibility that one day he may need to lead someone to a bolt hole that was self-contained and easy for him to control in case of a confrontation.  Mary was the one that, in this case, was clever enough to go to the person that everyone assumed Sherlock would have nothing to do with.

 

I do agree that Molly's place was probably a bolt hole for several nights after TRF, and, who knows, maybe even if he had to come back to London an odd time or two during the mission (as Pseudonym said).  

[Arcadia]

Drat, I'm on the evil browser that won't let me multiquote.

I never really noticed that either, sfmpco. Or if I did, I just thought it referred to Wiggins. But here's the relevant bits of dialog, courtesy of Ariane DeVere (which the Evil Browser will not let me link to...)

ANDERSON: Leinster Gardens. That’s his number one bolt hole. It’s top-top secret.
BENJI: He only knows about it ’cause he stalked him one night.
ANDERSON: Followed!
BENJI: Followed, yeah.

HOMELESS MAN (hoarsely): Oh, come on, love. Don’t be like all the rest.
(She stops, turning back to him, then takes a handful of loose change from her coat pocket, bends down and drops the coins into the tub. Before she can fully straighten up or withdraw her hand, he takes hold of her wrist and looks up at her. It’s Bill Wiggins.)
BILL (in his normal voice): Rule One of looking for Sherlock ’olmes ...
(He puts a phone and a headset into her hand.)
BILL: ... ’e finds you.
MARY: You’re working for Sherlock now.

MARY: How did you know I’d come here?
SHERLOCK: I knew you’d talk to the people no-one else would bother with.
MARY: I thought I was being clever.
SHERLOCK: You’re always clever, Mary. I was relying on that. I planted the information for you to find.

So if we go by all that, the only person we've seen on screen who had any useful information was Anderson; Molly, Myc & Mrs. H had the wrong locations, Billy just had the phone. Which does indeed imply that Anderson was the plant. Interesting. But they established all the way back in TEH that Anderson was a Sherlock groupie, so I can see Sherlock taking advantage of that to use Anderson for his own ends. Huh. Neat.

That also implies to me, though, that Anderson lied about stalking following Sherlock, and was just saying what Sherlock told him to say. Either that, or we have to believe Sherlock knew he followed him, and let him, so he'd know about Leinster Gardens, on the off chance that in the future he would need Anderson to divulge that information to just the right person. Nah, even Sherlock's not that prescient, is he? Besides, he admits he planted the information. Ergo, Anderson lied. And is also "working for Sherlock now."
 
Y'know, I did wonder why Mycroft chose Anderson and Benji to check for drugs in 221B. Not the most obvious choice in my opinion. Do the Holmes brothers share snitches and lackeys?
 
JP's right, if Sherlock planted the information, then that also implies that Sherlock was in contact with Anderson as weil as Billy after he escaped from the hospital. Busy boy. Although I guess he could have contacted Anderson by phone. Still, that was a risk, wasn't it? ("If Mary Watson comes asking about bolt holes, then tell her" etc. etc. Wasn't he worried that Anderson would figure out this means Mary was the shooter? Or is Anderson supposed to be too dumb to work that out?)

 

That might also explain why Myc didn't think to ask Anderson about bolt holes; because he knows that Anderson doesn't really know anything, and it doesn't occur to him that Sherlock might use Anderson as a plant. Heck, at that point he wouldn't even have realized that Sherlock wanted Mary, and only Mary, to find him.

 

Re: Molly's bedroom: I always imagined the same thing as Pseudonym; that was something that happened after the Fall, while Sherlock was still wrapping up loose ends in London. I find it hard to believe that's something he would have done after he came back; he's more careful with her feelings now, I think. I hope.

 

Do we know who interviewed Molly? I have a dim recollection of someone stating that it was Mary, but can't remember if that was from Moftiss, or just a fan theory. As far as I can remember, there's no indication in the episode, and I always assumed it was either Lestrade or one of Myc's minions.

 

 

[sfmpco]

Since Lestrade and Mycroft's minions aren't in the episode, that is really stretching it.  The only people questioned where we don't see the one asking the questions are Molly and Anderson/Benji.  It is logical that it would be Mary.  For one thing, Mary knows that Molly helped Sherlock do the jump, and she is observant in a way that John isn't.  

 

In many ways, John is blind to Molly, not Sherlock in TAB.  After all, Sherlock is telling the story in TAB so he can't be blind to her.  John, however, wouldn't question Molly in HLV because he is blind.  Lestrade and Mycroft wouldn't have either.  Also blind because that's the front Sherlock puts up - she doesn't mean anything to me.  But Mary would see something different.  Women's intuition.  For Sherlock to let Molly slap him and not even raise a hand to defend himself tells Mary there is a deeper friendship between the two than John gives them credit for.

 

Yes, I agree it is possible that he used her place as a bolt hole after the jump, but if he weren't still using it, I doubt she would have mentioned it at all.

[clavery111]

I've always thought Molly was referring to Sherlock staying with her after TRF, not during the current gone-missing episode. I also took it as a broken 4th wall kind of interview, no interviewer intended by Mofftiss....but it's interesting to note that it's the only interview that we (the viewer) don't know who it is doing the interview!

 

I also took it to mean that Sherlock had let Anderson and any/all that group of fans know about the fake facade house well in advance... in preparation for the day when for some reason, Sherlock would need to have a secret meeting place with someone who would contact Anderson/fan group.  

 

But ... to get back to original question: what are the top 3 ideas here that folk have on what Moffat says we've missed?

[sfmpco]

We don't see the face of the person interviewing Anderson/Benji either.  

 

As for the top 3 ideas, I honest don't think we've missed anything.  Everything has been discussed on this forum.