Moffat's "we've missed it" statement...

[sfmpco]

Well people didn't actually miss it regarding how he survived the fall from Bart's roof.  A lot of people got the squash ball and the fact that John couldn't see around that one thing to witness the actual landing.  So I don't think we've really missed anything.

[sittything]

Well people didn't actually miss it regarding how he survived the fall from Bart's roof.  A lot of people got the squash ball and the fact that John couldn't see around that one thing to witness the actual landing.  So I don't think we've really missed anything.

 

No, no... you have... Moffat said so.

[Arcadia]

Besides, that was so two years ago. :p Apparently he thinks we've missed something in S3 too. Actually, I'm quite sure I missed a lot in all 3 seasons, I'm just not sure what it is!

[Pseudonym]

Whatever it is I doubt it's been completely missed, there are too many hardcore fans for that. I think it's more likely it's been noticed but just isn't a huge talking point like some other things are so it's not on Moffat's radar. It's not like he can read every post, he just gets a basic overview of the main things that fans are discussing. 

[sfmpco]

There actually isn't a minutiae from any episode, whether thematic, visual, etc. that hasn't been dissected ad nauseam.  Exactly what he is referring to is unknown, but I seriously doubt that it hasn't been mentioned or discussed.  

[Arcadia]

I suspect you are both right, but it's more fun trying to figure it out! :p

[Carol the Dabbler]

Did he ever say what the original (from S2) "thing" was?

 

[Arcadia]

Not that I've ever heard. And I've never heard anyone ask him about it either. Not that I hear everything.

[sfmpco]

Was hardly any point to ask him since they revealed what they wished to reveal.

[Arcadia]

True ...
 
Actually, the guy did ask him about it in the TAB post mortem (here) and the squash ball came up, so maybe that was it. (I think that's what he asked; I admit I couldn't understand half what they were saying.) In the same interview, Moff says he stills thinks we haven't figured out some clue or other they left in S3. Will be interesting to find out what he thinks it is and if we agree....... but I doubt we will ever find out, if the future progresses like the past .....

 

But it's still fun to speculate!

[Pseudonym]

I think it's a bit weird Sherlock doesn't have some kind of lingering trauma over everything that happened to him whilst he was 'dead.' Having to leave behind everything familiar, not knowing when he would be able to come back, he hasn't exactly been through an easy time. When we see him he's chained and being beaten, and taking into account his conversation with Mycroft whilst he's being shaved it doesn't seem like the capture was deliberate. Even if that was some kind of ploy it seems like he's been through a fairly tough time in general, you'd think he would have nightmares or it would have affected his personality somehow, no matter how emotionally closed off you are getting hurt like that is bound to leave a mark.

I seem to remember Moffat saying the next season is a lot about consequences, I find it weird there were so few consequences in the last season. 

[Arcadia]

I have a bet with myself ... I'm betting we'll see Sherlock run up against his physical limitations in S4. That is, getting sick or collapsing or something from overwork, too little sleep, drugs, or whatever. Just to make him realize that he really is only human....

 

I wonder about the TEH scenes where John is talking to him in his head. It only occurs in the one scene ... why? If that's a thing Sherlock does, why do we only see it that one time? Odd.

[Pseudonym]

Yeah, that seems like something that should happen. So far he's had terrible things happen to him but has managed to stay emotionally aloof, I don't think that's something you can keep up forever. 

 

Can you remember which scenes have John talking in his head? Is it when he's investigating the crime scenes with Molly? I'll need to take another look.

[Arcadia]

Well, he was in tears after killing a man. That's a chink in the armor. And Moffat did say "remember where we left them."

 

To the best of my (admittedly weak) memory, the only scene where he hears John snarking at him in his head is when he, Lestrade and Molly are investigating the "Jack the Ripper" hoax. I always found it strange that was the only instance in which it occurred. I mean, I know we see him talking to John in his mind palace in TSo3, but this was different; like he was hallucinating. (I know someone who hallucinates, and that's pretty much what it looks like.)

[Pseudonym]

Does he cry? We don't see the adult Sherlock cry, the little boy version does but I think that's just a version of him through Mycroft's eyes, it's not necessarily Sherlock's actual reaction. Admittedly he does look affected though.

 

Just looked up the hallucinations, it is in the Jack the Ripper section. Yea, pretty interesting, never really thought about it before!

[sfmpco]

Well, I have said it before and I will say it again, that I do not think the boy crying is from Mycroft's POV.  Mycroft is up in the helicopter.  He couldn't see tears anyhow.  It has already been established twice that young Sherlock is from Sherlock's POV.  Therefore, young Sherlock at the end still has to be from Sherlock's POV.  To me, Sherlock is a young boy crying for help from his older brother.  He's scared of what he's just done, and he's scared of the consequences.

 

S3 took place over about 13-14 months.  The two year time gap between S2 and S3 was bridged in the story with Sherlock being undercover for 2 years.  Now we will have a 3-yr gap between S3 and S4, so it will be interesting to see how much time is covered in S4.  Will we see Sherlock with an IPhone 6?

[Arcadia]

Does he cry? We don't see the adult Sherlock cry, the little boy version does but I think that's just a version of him through Mycroft's eyes, it's not necessarily Sherlock's actual reaction. Admittedly he does look affected though.

 

Just looked up the hallucinations, it is in the Jack the Ripper section. Yea, pretty interesting, never really thought about it before!

Well, I must think the same thing sfmpco does, 'cause you're right, it's the boy Sherlock who cries, not the adult. Yeesh, I really need a new brain ......

 

So now I don't know if I have a point or not! :d

[sfmpco]

The boy only appears inside Sherlock's mind.  That's the point.  He doesn't ever appear in Mycroft's mind.  We only see things from Sherlock's POV.  It's the boy inside of Sherlock that is crying.

[Van Buren Supernova]

Not much to contribute about missing statement here. Just chip in about Mycroft.

 

I believe that the crying boy was from Mycroft's POV, although it’s possible that Mycroft couldn't see him from the helicopter, I believe he saw it as something relatable to the past, when Sherlock was in similarly fragile situation and broken. The crying face might be what he remembers when Sherlock, his little brother, was helpless, maybe Redbeard or similar, something to do with caring too much and pay for the pain, the same situation in HLV.Mycroft went through all those in the past, and so he knows exactly how this is going to impact Sherlock.

 

For Sherlock himself, I believe his expression was not remorse, and at that time he wasn't looking to Mycroft for help.  To me, there were fear and sadness. Not with the consequences of killing a man, that probably occupies little piece of his mind. He was probably more scared of his feeling and the extend he was willing to go to ensure that people he cares about are safe. He fell for that again, caring and pain that comes with it, after years of building armor and protection. He is vulnerable of the last thing he wants to be vulnerable about, all the hard works and sacrifices are undone. That must be scary to him.

[Arcadia]

Scared? Maybe, but to me he looks a bit ... well, I can't think of a word for it, but to me he looks like he knows he's just screwed up in the worst way possible. He not only let CAM beat him, but he threw his own life away to make up for it. I'm having trouble imagining what that would even feel like. "Devastated" might be the right word. Or "broken". Yeah, he looks a bit broken....

[Chereskol Melsoch]

Mr. Steven Moffat is correct.

I have yet to see this anywhere else but I haven't;

The fact that Mycroft Holmes is officially deceased

; according to Magnussen's file on The Consulting Detective.

[Chereskol Melsoch]

A Question

That hithertoo has not been mentioned;

How does The Consulting Detective

Know what clue hath give

Away what the next act

Of Moriarty's nine lived cat;

(In the case of the dead bride,

Of questionable suicide?)

[Carol the Dabbler]

Hi, Chereskol Melsoch -- welcome to Sherlock Forum! 
 
I was startled by your post, since I couldn't recall seeing anything like that, either in the show or online, and thought I'd better check it out.  So I went and had another look at Ariane DeVere's transcript for "Last Vow," and I think I see what you're talking about:
 

SHERLOCK HOLMES
CONSULTING DETECTIVE
PORN PREFERENCE: NORMAL
FINANCES: UNKNOWN
BROTHER: MYCROFT HOLMES
M.I.6 (SEE FILE)
OFFICIALLY DECEASED 2011-2013

PRESSURE POINT:
IRENE ADLER (SEE FILE)
JIM MORIARTY (SEE FILE)
REDBEARD (SEE FILE)
HOUNDS OF THE BASKERVILLE
OPIUM
JOHN WATSON

If you're talking about the line "Officially deceased 2011-2013," I believe that refers to Sherlock (even though it immediately follows the info on Mycroft).  Sherlock supposedly committed suicide by jumping off the roof of Bart's Hospital in "Reichenbach Fall" which aired in January 2012, but may actually have taken place in late 2011.  Then he reappeared in "Empty Hearse" which aired in January 2014, but may actually have taken place in late 2013.

 

That explains why Mycroft was able to appear in all three episodes of Series 3, as well as "The Abominable Bride."

 

I am relieved!

 

[Chereskol Melsoch]

Give heed and notice,

A crucial clue I found most grotesque

That will signify

An abundance of lies;

Why the eldest brother of the Holmes

Is lest only a dead man's bones

Between twenty first century eleven and thirteen

By the file Magnussen gleans

-Concerning the youngest of the family-

Of his limits, fears and incapacities.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Give heed and notice,

A crucial clue I found most grotesque

That will signify

An abundance of lies;

Why the eldest brother of the Holmes

Is lest only a dead man's bones

Between twenty first century eleven and thirteen

By the file Magnussen gleans

-Concerning the youngest of the family-

Of his limits, fears and incapacities.

 

Hi, Chereskol Melsoch -- welcome to Sherlock Forum!    Nice rhyming posts!  (Though I think I'd better stick to prose for my reply.)

 

I was startled by your post, since I couldn't recall seeing anything about Mycroft being dead, either in the show or online, and thought I'd better check it out.  So I went and had another look at Ariane DeVere's transcript for "Last Vow," and I think I see what you're talking about:

 

SHERLOCK HOLMES

CONSULTING DETECTIVE

PORN PREFERENCE: NORMAL

FINANCES: UNKNOWN

BROTHER: MYCROFT HOLMES

M.I.6 (SEE FILE)

OFFICIALLY DECEASED 2011-2013

 

PRESSURE POINT:

IRENE ADLER (SEE FILE)

JIM MORIARTY (SEE FILE)

REDBEARD (SEE FILE)

HOUNDS OF THE BASKERVILLE

OPIUM

JOHN WATSON

 

[emphasis added by me]

If you're talking about the line "Officially deceased 2011-2013," I believe that refers to Sherlock (even though it immediately follows the info on Mycroft).  Sherlock supposedly committed suicide by jumping off the roof of Bart's Hospital in "Reichenbach Fall" which aired in January 2012, but may actually have taken place in late 2011.  Then he reappeared in "Empty Hearse" which aired in January 2014, but may actually have taken place in late 2013.

 

That explains why Mycroft was able to appear in all three episodes of Series 3, as well as "The Abominable Bride."

 

I am relieved!