What about Sherlock's feelings for Molly?

[sfmpco]

Doesn't matter.  I have a feeling somehow his sexuality is coming out somehow in S4.  It is a lovely interview and I just love it when Ben gets the giggles towards the end over "it doesn't see much daylight."

 

BTW, I think that whatever that encounter he has in S4 is, it will be part of the devastating and terrifying journey that will mark his character development in S4.  

 

Because really, they're going to need to start wrapping things up a bit.  Although the actors have said they will do the series until they die, schedules permitting, the balance of probability doesn't swing that way.  I know that series 5 is plotted out, but we're looking at the year 2018 MAYBE to see that...and maybe 2020/2021 for S6?    I think they may start wrapping things up a bit.  

[Carol the Dabbler]

While I do not want to see them "wrap things up," I sure wouldn't mind seeing future cliffhangers be more like S1 and S2.  S3 as a whole (not just the official cliffhanger) is leaving me all kinda "Whuh?" 

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

To me, Series Three's cliffhanger is feeling like they stopped "HLV" right in the middle of the episode. Like they took a station break and.....it just never came back.....so here I am.....sitting around waiting for it to resume. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Yeah.

 

So far it's interesting.  But I'd love to know how it turns out.  Maybe after some more commercials....

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

I hate these long commercial breaks.

[Arcadia]

You two.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Well, might as well laugh as cry.  *sigh*

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Absolutely. Though both are supposed to be healing, I'll take laughter anytime, thank you very much.

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

How about laughing until you cry? 

[Convict13]

Hey, thanks for that link, I hadn't seen that. It has some very funny moments. They're lovely interview givers. (Also note, btw, that Moffat calls Sherlock "one of the most asexual characters on television" - for which I am profoundly grateful, because no matter whether it is Molly or whoever, I really, for some reason I cannot quite fathom, do not want to see Sherlock Holmes have sex with anybody. Unless maybe Irene Adler, and even then I am not interested in the details).

 

 

I'm with you, so it makes you wonder why they introduced the character of Molly, it seems cruel to have someone hopelessly in love with someone that doesn't want a relationship.

[Arcadia]

Because of what she reveals about him? That's pretty much the only reason they introduce any character, don't you think?

[jesskayding]

Yeah, it seems a lot of the characters fall helplessly in love with Sherlock... It truly is how each character makes him more self aware. It's good for him to see his weaknesses & it allows for him to realize that he may not be the most clever person in the room actually.

[sfmpco]

Well, I don't need to see Sherlock HAVE  sex any more than I need to see any of them HAVE sex.  Having had sex can be implied in many ways more than some semi-pornographic depiction on screen.  But Sherlock in S4 may experiment as a means of looking for comfort and connection if they truly take the series down a very dark path.  

 

Asexuality for him I think it's just one of the many masks he wears to protect himself, but he can remove that mask if he chooses to.

 

Moffat/Gatiss are building their own canon with him and they can do whatever they want.  He's very asexual at the beginning of S1, but he's much more human in HLV, much more open to the human experience, and he's only going to get more so.  Like it or not, his heart is growing, and that growth will allow him to expand his life experiences.

 

Of course, it's no surprise to anyone here that I am hoping they will further the relationship between Molly and Sherlock, and I think with her now being available again that that is very possible.  After all, they could have kept her with Tom.  They did not.  Why?  Because there is stuff left undone between Molly and Sherlock.  It's canon.  They've written it that way.

[T.o.b.y]

Of course, it's no surprise to anyone here that I am hoping they will further the relationship between Molly and Sherlock, and I think with her now being available again that that is very possible.  After all, they could have kept her with Tom.  They did not.  Why?  Because there is stuff left undone between Molly and Sherlock.  It's canon.  They've written it that way.

 

Yup, the only question is, do they want to bring it to some kind of closure or no. I'm hoping for no. But we shall see.

 

I wouldn't mind a scene where Sherlock decides Molly wouldn't be such a bad bet, and kind of offers her a relationship, feeling all smug and good and expecting her to be terribly grateful, and instead of falling into his arms, she'd gently but firmly put him in his place and let him know that the idea is a pretty bad one and not what she really wants, any way. I'd really cheer for her!

[jesskayding]

I'd be okay with that. I mean he always has to force himself to compliment her on something, just so he can get her to do as he wishes. I don't see an attraction there. Yes his heart is growing, but his high end tastes are very still much in place.

 

Now if Molly decides to get a makeover or something, which women do often to attract the men she wants & commissions a speech therapist... Then yes uhm uhm, what I was trying to say, maybe, I mean uhm, yes uhm....

 

Speech Therapists after several sessions ( intence eyes, fingers rubbing her temples, eruption is nearing & THen!: "Just say it, complete the sentence! Speak plainly already!

[sfmpco]

 

Of course, it's no surprise to anyone here that I am hoping they will further the relationship between Molly and Sherlock, and I think with her now being available again that that is very possible.  After all, they could have kept her with Tom.  They did not.  Why?  Because there is stuff left undone between Molly and Sherlock.  It's canon.  They've written it that way.

 

Yup, the only question is, do they want to bring it to some kind of closure or no. I'm hoping for no. But we shall see.

 

I wouldn't mind a scene where Sherlock decides Molly wouldn't be such a bad bet, and kind of offers her a relationship, feeling all smug and good and expecting her to be terribly grateful, and instead of falling into his arms, she'd gently but firmly put him in his place and let him know that the idea is a pretty bad one and not what she really wants, any way. I'd really cheer for her!

 

 

I think Molly is past the falling in his arms stage.  She's seen him at his best, at his worst, and at his most manipulative.  But she's not ignorant of his blatant manipulations, nor is she above tossing one out herself now and then.  Seriously, I think her saying that she and Tom were "having quite a lot of sex" was an attempt to make him jealous.  Instead it just was an awkward moment where you could see him saying in his head, "too much information".  Nevertheless that entire scene was a bit of tit-for-tat between them.  

 

I know that some people think the slaps in HLV set feminism back a bit, but it worked for her character to take him to task, and then he was able to use that in his mind palace to focus...because Molly brought him into focus (sobered him with a bit a pain).  Notice her 3 slaps got progressively harder until he actually responded.  I kept thinking, "That's my girl!"  I actually grew up in a house where my father instructed his five daughters to slap a boy/man who was rude or insulting.  Yes, we had permission from him to do that.  I only slapped my brother, though.  Gave him a bloody nose for which I got in trouble. 

 

The point is, SH did not count it against her at all that she took him to task or even that she stood up to him and told him off... but she didn't tell him off in a way to be offensive but to let him also know that she understood and cherished his natural born gifts and that she wasn't going to put up with the drugs and the wasting of his life like that.  That is not a Molly who will jump into his arms.  That is a Molly he needs to properly win over, and she just let him know that.  We don't see her beyond the mind palace sequence, but we'll see something quite different in their relationship in S4.

[sfmpco]

I should also add that Molly slapping him invades his personal space, and I think he has issues with personal space.  It's one thing if he initiates contact, but he doesn't necessarily want touch from someone else...that's invasion of his personal space.  So for Molly to invade his personal space with pain-inflicting slaps...and that she felt she had the freedom to do it...and that he never raised a hand to stop her...it just says something about the progression of their relationship.

[T.o.b.y]

I should also add that Molly slapping him invades his personal space, and I think he has issues with personal space.  It's one thing if he initiates contact, but he doesn't necessarily want touch from someone else...that's invasion of his personal space.  So for Molly to invade his personal space with pain-inflicting slaps...and that she felt she had the freedom to do it...and that he never raised a hand to stop her...it just says something about the progression of their relationship.

 

I don't know. I think it says more about Sherlock's strange personality than anything else. He doesn't respond "normally" to people who hurt him in any way. Irene Adler drugs him and uses her riding crop on him - he falls madly in love with her. Mary shoots him - he comes up with all sorts of excuses for her and talks John into taking her back. Molly slaps him - of course he doesn't mind. He just respects her. Sherlock really is a little bit of a sociopath or whatever word would be better. He walks all over people, and if they are nice to him, he doesn't appreciate that half enough, he just looks down on them for being "stupid" or weak or boring. If you want him to take you seriously, it seems you have to bare your teeth a bit and growl. He's like an animal in that respect.

[sfmpco]

I never saw the "falling in love madly" with Irene.  I think there was something there to be sure, but she also invaded his space with the touch and the drugging, with the kneeling in front of him and touching his arm with the whole "Let's have dinner" dialogue.  Of course, he flips the tables and takes her pulse to find out where she really is at.  

 

When he initiates physical contact, he is always in control.  When someone else initiates contact, it is always out of his control and a little off-putting.

[jesskayding]

I'd say risking your life by rescuring a woman from Turkish terrorists & having sentiment for only her by keeping her phone, oh & loosing his appetite when he thought she was dead could be seen as madly in love. Men have said how desperately in love they are with someone upon sending them flowers and a nice dinner...

 

 

I know how to solve Molly's uncontrollable desire for Sherlock. Kill her off, then she feels no more pain. Simple as that. Problem solved.

[sfmpco]

Uh... no killing Molly off for that reason.

 

Here's a funny mashup of Sherlolly.  Really out of context!

 

[Boton]

I think the "we're having quite a lot of sex" line about Tom was a bit of revenge, but I almost wonder if, at that point, Molly may not have suspected that this admission would get under Sherlock's skin a little.  Like she's the woman that's always there, and she starts feeling a little bit taken for granted, so she decides to prove to him that he's not holding up his end of the bargain.  (Not that Sherlock ever indicated he'd have sex with Molly, but he does expect a lot from her.)  I think she knew that admission would needle him a bit.

 

I don't really want any tangible evidence that Sherlock and Molly have ever gotten together.  That would be so out of character for Sherlock I would have trouble processing it.  The only way I can possibly see it happening is if there is some oblique reference to Molly helping him with an experiment to learn more about human response, and it is left open-ended so we have something to speculate wildly about between 2016 and 2018.

[sittything]

Oh, oh!  So I wanna talk about Irene a moment, brought to you by my recent rewatching of SiB.  My first watching or two of SiB I just focused on the list of heartbroken things Sherlock was doing, and the heartbroken piece of the sentence and then I guess my brain just tuned out.

 

John says:

He’s writing sad music; doesn’t eat; barely talks – only to correct the television.  I’d say he was heartbroken but, er, well, he’s Sherlock. He does all that anyw...

 

I definitely don't disagree that Sherlock was attracted to Irene, intrigued by Irene yes, but I don't think he was madly in love with her.  John is definitely getting at Sherlock being upset over Irene's death in this conversation for sure, but I originally read a lot into the not eating, sad music, barely talking thing... but then John does point out... that's not all that different from Sherlock's normal behavior.  So maybe I was reading too much into that list?   Now the not responding to texts, I think that does make Irene special.  But I think she's special in the sense that he doesn't trust her and/or entirely trust himself around her (b/c attraction?) so it's better to keep her at arm's length.  Now I don't think he trusted Moriarty either, but I think he felt Moriarty was more of a known/understood entity.  But that's probably b/c there is no clouded judgement there.  About Sherlock going to save Irene, I think he did so because he cared for her to some degree and felt responsible for her impending death.  Maybe there was some romantic gesture after saving her, but that's not really canon in my head.  And I liked that he kept her phone.  Even Sherlock can be guilty of sentiment... 

 

 

 

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Uh... no killing Molly off for that reason.

 

Here's a funny mashup of Sherlolly.  Really out of context!

 

 

 

Love it!  Would NOT care to see it on the show -- but love it! 

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

I think the "we're having quite a lot of sex" line about Tom was a bit of revenge, but I almost wonder if, at that point, Molly may not have suspected that this admission would get under Sherlock's skin a little.  Like she's the woman that's always there, and she starts feeling a little bit taken for granted, so she decides to prove to him that he's not holding up his end of the bargain.  (Not that Sherlock ever indicated he'd have sex with Molly, but he does expect a lot from her.)  I think she knew that admission would needle him a bit.

 

And his face. Lookit.