What would you like to see in series 4?

[Carol the Dabbler]

I love the part in "The Gloria Scott" where

 

Trevor senior passes out and falls face flat into a bowl of walnuts, as a shock reaction to Holmes telling him the truth about himself in the presence of his son.

 

I wish they'd show that on "Sherlock"! Or use it in some other context.

 

Have you seen The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies?  They come real close when

 

Kili is hurriedly put on Bard's dining table for treatment of his injuries -- with the bowl of walnuts as a pillow!

 

 

I have been watching the Jeremy Brett TV series and I love that iconic violin theme song.  So #1 on my wishlist is:

 

-Sherlock giving a shout out to that series by picking up the violin, gazing out the window, and playing the theme, come on, even just a few notes!!

I want to see him smoke a pipe.

See. The [award] wins may get us a theater preview of the Christmas special.

 

Are you guys psychic?    Looks like you're getting your wishes as a Christmas present!  (Either that, or Moftisses have been reading this thread!  :P )

 

[Shadow Dweller]

I would love to see more battle of wits between scheming parties, a 'deathmatch' of the best and brightest. ^^-^

[kornmuhme]

I was just thinking the other day that I would like to see them become really easy around each other, and I'd like to see Molly impress Sherlock with some deductions of her own. Less of an assistant to Sherlock and more of a coworker. I think I'd be happy if they were genuinely friends.

 

Yes, I hope the awkwardness between them (esp. on Molly's side) will disappear or fade at least - although I've always liked Molly being so clumsy and helpness when Sherlock's around :-). Of course, Molly is a strong character, she was bald enough to invite Sherlock for a coffee and she was bright enough to move on by building up this relationship to Tom. But now she's free again and I wonder why Moftiss has chosen this direction... Maybe there are some new things to come :-).

I don't know if one can call them "friends", Sherlock has only one genuine friend, and that is John (and will always be, I think). So, what are they??

[kornmuhme]

I would love to see more battle of wits between scheming parties, a 'deathmatch' of the best and brightest. ^^-^

 

Where can I sign???

 

[Arcadia]

Awww, you don't think Mrs. Hudson and Lestrade are his friends? Maybe not as close friends as John, but they're more than just acquaintances, aren't they? Although maybe Sherlock hasn't quite realized it yet, since he thinks he's not capable of having friends. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

He immediately thought of them (in addition to John) when Moriarty threatened to kill "all your friends."

 

[Inge l-w]

OK, to save our kindly moderators the need to move things around, and since we are all twiddling our thumbs, in a manner of speaking, and since Mr Moffat was recognised as the darkest of the Dark Lords, even above Darth Vader and Sauron ( couldn't post the snippet, it was too large) , I shall start a new thread of speculation: however, knowledge of ACD's work will be needed: Whatever remains...

Edited August 16, 2015 by Carol the Dabbler
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[kornmuhme]

He immediately thought of them (in addition to John) when Moriarty threatened to kill "all your friends."

 

That's true, nevertheless I think we must differenciate: John is and will always be the ONE friend/bro for Sherlock, just like in the canon. It's the story of Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson.

The others aren't necessarily "friends", but maybe that depends on how you understand the word "friend". I'd say Mrs Hudson, Lestrade and Molly are people Sherlock cares for and that are important for him. And finally, Molly is the one that counts. Don't know if I'd call her a friend of Sherlock's ...

[Arcadia]

Well, here's the Oxford Dictionary definition: "a person whom one knows and with whom one has a bond of mutual affection, typically exclusive of sexual or family relations."

 

To me that clearly includes Mrs. H, Lestrade, Mary and Molly, although John is the only "close" friend. I like to think Sherlock would do just as much for any of those others as for John, though. (And abuse them just as badly... )

 

Hm. Now that I'm thinking about it ... would he have killed Magnussen for any of those others? Hm. I  hope not, but then I didn't want him to kill CAM for John, either, so that's not saying much....

[Carol the Dabbler]

I agree, Arcadia -- John is clearly Sherlock's best or closest friend, but Molly, Greg, and Mrs. Hudson are just as clearly his good friends as well (and even the socially-inept Sherlock knows it, as evidenced by his reply to Moriarty's threat), and Mary now as well.

 

[T.o.b.y]

I am still hoping against hope that the special will somehow tie into the general story.

 

I mean, what a waste of a special! All other BBC series I have loved that had Christmas Specials (i.e. The Office and Yes Minister, so not very many :lol:) used them to really add something. The Office did their ending that way (and what a wonderful, unexpected, perfect and surprisingly warm-hearted ending it was) and Yes Minister took the chance to explain how Jim Hacker went from minister to prime minister. 

 

Can't Sherlock manage to somehow fit the Victorian 90 minutes in with the rest? There are so many loose ends and open questions and possibilities. I understand the appeal of trying out a period setting, but... I want it to actually mean something. And there are ways one could do that, easily. Why does it have to be in it's "own little bubble"? (I'm in a whiny mood tonight).

[Carol the Dabbler]

It's apparently not 100% Victorian, though -- remember the Setlock scene with John and Mary in their end-of-Last-Vow clothing.  So the Special could tie in at least a bit.

 

[J.P.]

After seeing the teaser I almost believed it would be a part totally on its own, like a "normal" (I said normal?) Victorian S Holmes film with the Sherlock cast. But it cannot be that simple. Not with Mofftiss. They shot a scene with a wall of 221B built in the middle of a street - it could be just another Irene-deduction-kind-of scene like in ASIB, but again - too easy. Trying not to think too much about it. It will turn different than we think anyway.

 

But...

 

[Arcadia]

I am still hoping against hope that the special will somehow tie into the general story.

...

Can't Sherlock manage to somehow fit the Victorian 90 minutes in with the rest? There are so many loose ends and open questions and possibilities. I understand the appeal of trying out a period setting, but... I want it to actually mean something. And there are ways one could do that, easily. Why does it have to be in it's "own little bubble"? (I'm in a whiny mood tonight).

Why? Because Moftiss says so! I honestly have no idea what to expect at this moment, and I kind of like it that way ... I've decided to stop reading anymore "news" about it because I want to be completely surprised. Well, almost completely. I think I'm glad I know it's going to be Victorian because otherwise I can see me sitting through the whole thing waiting for "our Sherlock" to appear, and completely missing what I'm actually seeing! :D

 

It's apparently not 100% Victorian, though -- remember the Setlock scene with John and Mary in their end-of-Last-Vow clothing.  So the Special could tie in at least a bit.

Unless that was ... (cue dramatic music) ... a red herring ....

 

After seeing the teaser I almost believed it would be a part totally on its own, like a "normal" (I said normal?) Victorian S Holmes film with the Sherlock cast. But it cannot be that simple. Not with Mofftiss. They shot a scene with a wall of 221B built in the middle of a street - it could be just another Irene-deduction-kind-of scene like in ASIB, but again - too easy. Trying not to think too much about it. It will turn different than we think anyway.

 

But...

 

Trust them to do what, though?!!!  Drive us all around the bend? xd

[J.P.]

To come with something brilliant and surprising. At least.

[Arcadia]

I'll buy that!

[sittything]

I trust Gatiss to make jokes about our life expectancy in relation to the next series airing.  That's about all I trust.  lol

[Arcadia]

Heck, we've got ourselves for that!

[Carol the Dabbler]

They shot a scene with a wall of 221B built in the middle of a street - it could be just another Irene-deduction-kind-of scene like in ASIB, but again - too easy. Trying not to think too much about it. It will turn different than we think anyway.

 

They seemed to be saying that the outdoor 221B set would be shot in such a way that we won't see where walls are missing, so it'll look like a regular indoor set.  They may have said that it was done that way to save travel time, but that's a pretty hazy memory by now.

 

On the other hand, it could have been used to film a very surrealistic scene.  Who knows?

 

[Arcadia]

I'm hoping the latter, that would be cool.

[kornmuhme]

Well, here's the Oxford Dictionary definition: "a person whom one knows and with whom one has a bond of mutual affection, typically exclusive of sexual or family relations."

 

To me that clearly includes Mrs. H, Lestrade, Mary and Molly, although John is the only "close" friend. I like to think Sherlock would do just as much for any of those others as for John, though. (And abuse them just as badly... )

 

Hm. Now that I'm thinking about it ... would he have killed Magnussen for any of those others? Hm. I  hope not, but then I didn't want him to kill CAM for John, either, so that's not saying much....

 

I'm signing :-). Ok, so let's say, John is his closest friend and the other few persons are his friends, too.

But I really find it an interesting question if Sherlock would have killed Magnussen for one of the others, too. Honestly? I think yes, because it was the (his!) only logical possibility to escape CAM's threats.

[J.P.]

Sherlock made a mistake of getting involved, as Mycroft would put it. And he made a vow. The first and the last one. Officially. "Whatever it takes..." How he, being Sherlock, could NOT fulfill his promise?

 

But the others... hmm... how far would he go for any of them? IF the Fall wasn't fake, I would say he showed it already on Bart's roof. But would he really die for Molly, Lestrade of Mrs H? And if yes, what makes John so special compared to the rest?

 

He almost killed the CIA guy, but in that case he would get away with it - it was self defense or, ahem, accident. He didn't risk his own life, like he did shooting CAM.

 

Another something to think about.

[T.o.b.y]

Sherlock made a mistake of getting involved, as Mycroft would put it. And he made a vow. The first and the last one. Officially. "Whatever it takes..." How he, being Sherlock, could NOT fulfill his promise?

 

But the others... hmm... how far would he go for any of them? IF the Fall wasn't fake, I would say he showed it already on Bart's roof. But would he really die for Molly, Lestrade of Mrs H? And if yes, what makes John so special compared to the rest?

 

He almost killed the CIA guy, but in that case he would get away with it - it was self defense or, ahem, accident. He didn't risk his own life, like he did shooting CAM.

 

Another something to think about.

 

I think Sherlock would die for nearly anyone if the moment was right, if the stakes were high enough and if he'd have the chance to go out in a blast of glory. Cannot imagine Sherlock has any plans to grow old. When Holmes was on the run from Moriarty in "The Final Problem", he is described as elated, almost euphoric, while talking about his own imminent demise.

 

The real question is, who else would Sherlock be willing to live for? That was Moriarty's final problem, remember - staying alive. So boring... just staying... Moriarty didn't really have a good reason to live as soon as his great challenge, Sherlock Holmes, seemed to be won.

 

In the Mind Palace during His Last Vow, Sherlock's Moriarty-voice mentions all the people who will cry for him. Not even the thought of Mummy and Daddy mourning provokes much of a reaction, but John - Sherlock's eyes open when his name, and his only, is mentioned. Of course it's not about John "crying" - that possibility didn't stop our hero from faking suicide at him, it's about John being in danger. So who knows - perhaps Sherlock would have crawled up that inner staircase for anybody who he felt needed him badly enough.

 

 

Gotten a bit off topic, haven't we?

 

Stuff I'd like to see in series 4, hm... Not another fake death, that's for sure. We've had plenty of those. And I could do with a little less high drama, just for a change (my inner drama queen will be longing for it soon enough). But for the next one of two episodes, I could do with more quiet wit and subtlety.

 

[Boswell]

My own experience with this show (for it is nothing short of an experience) seems to have been a close parallel to that of SH’s in the series. First analytical, then bordering the edges of emotion, then proper sentiment, then distraction and even loss of productivity, then realization and learning, and now back to normal. I hope SH’s trajectory in the series includes that last part.

I've liked Sherlock for its sheer intelligence and the lovely interlacing of the modern with the original. I don’t want to be drawn into any of the so-called homoerotic subtext nonsense anymore because that is beside the point, and I sincerely hope the writers will cut the crap and come back to basics...and do it quite quickly please

[Boswell]

It's apparently not 100% Victorian, though -- remember the Setlock scene with John and Mary in their end-of-Last-Vow clothing.  So the Special could tie in at least a bit.

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