Molly Hooper

[Arcadia]

 

Now, Molly.  Molly.  Wasn't this thread supposed to be about Molly?  Um, yeah.  So, I do hope that Sherlock slept with Irene a couple of times at least before he had anything to do with Molly; no one really wants to suffer through a man who is an absolute beginner.   :P

 

As long as he doesn't expect her to treat him the same way. Squicky.

[Boton]

 

 

Now, Molly.  Molly.  Wasn't this thread supposed to be about Molly?  Um, yeah.  So, I do hope that Sherlock slept with Irene a couple of times at least before he had anything to do with Molly; no one really wants to suffer through a man who is an absolute beginner.   :P

 

As long as he doesn't expect her to treat him the same way. Squicky.

 

 

Well, I'm sure he won't expect her to treat him like *royalty.*  :D

[bedelia1984]

 

 

Ugh, wouldn't this be the worst ever? I don't think either woman would sink to that level though, would they? I'd really love a scene where they talk about him over coffee. That would be super-amazing.

The thing is that both Molly and Irene have slapped Sherlock so I can see them get into a slapping contest over him.

 

Or maybe the two of them will slap Sherlock together? I wouldn't mind seeing that. It sounds like something the two of them can agree on.

What I'm afraid of is how quickly this could develop into Irene seducing Molly also. And the world then imploding as fanfiction and canon become one.

 

I think Irene is more likely to come on to Molly than slap her, though for Molly the latter might be less alarming.

 

 

Didn't Sherlock compose that song when he thought Irene was dead? It's a meloncholy theme so why would sex be the primary association with it if you were hearing it for the first time? That is why the Eurus leap seemed odd to me. It made more sense for John to make the leap because of the moaning noise of text message alert and the previous conversations that John has had with Irene.

 

Maybe it's a song about being sad that you can't have physically be with someone anymore because they're dead/ gone? I'm a Leonard Cohen fan, so melancholy songs about sex seem pretty par for the course to me.

 

Yeah, I totally didn't know how to read the song myself, but I was kind of glad she said it was about sex and not love, even if she is mad. Just in case that reflects the writers and they are conceding that the Sherlock/ irene thing was more a physical attraction than anything else. Eurus has some pretty bizarre ideas about both sex and love, probably, though, so she's hardly an expert on either.

[kimber8ada]

 

 

 

 

With Irene, I don't understand why she would lie? I thought the closest she had to a true relationship was probably that woman living with her? If anything, even if she were gay, wouldn't she claim to be at least bisexual, so as to still be a 'possibility' for the men in her 'game'. Then again, I guess pretending to be a lesbian would play in to a lot of male fantasies. Would she have thought Sherlock would like that?

 

 

My head canon alone, but I always thought that Irene was probably bisexual, but that she had long ago divided things in her mind so that women = fun and men = work. I know that the opening scene of SiB involved her having a "work" interaction with "that posh thing" who was female, but I thought that maybe she found whatever men typically liked from her in her work life rather distasteful, so she determined that she wasn't that into men.

 

I think bedelia1984 is referencing how Euros asked Sherlock is he had sex after Sherlock started playing Irene's theme with his violin.

Apparently smarter-than-Newton Euros can tell if someone has had sex by hearing the kind of music they play. That's one way of interpreting that scene.

 

I absolutely interpreted it that way. I think that Eurus could hear a soulfulness in Sherlock's playing that indicated to her that he had an emotional event in his life. They had already discussed whether playing a piece technically correctly was the same thing as playing it well; perhaps she heard Sherlock infuse the song with emotion, especially since he composed it and would naturally infuse it with all the emotion he has when thinking about Irene. In some ways, SiB may be the first chink in the armor that eventually leads to Sherlock embracing emotion.

Am I the only one who's just a wee bit offended by the idea that Sherlock is just so wonderful that Irene will stop being gay for him?

No, you're not. It is something to be very careful with. On the other hand, I wonder if those who are more in the middle of the Kinsey scale might have a little fluidity there, and someone like Irene could say that if Sherlock is on the table (metaphorically, guys!), then he is who she is interested in.

 

Now, Molly. Molly. Wasn't this thread supposed to be about Molly? Um, yeah. So, I do hope that Sherlock slept with Irene a couple of times at least before he had anything to do with Molly; no one really wants to suffer through a man who is an absolute beginner. :P

 

I don't think Molly would mind Sherlock not having a lot or any experience. She would be infinitely patient with him.

[Arcadia]

 

Didn't Sherlock compose that song when he thought Irene was dead? It's a meloncholy theme so why would sex be the primary association with it if you were hearing it for the first time? That is why the Eurus leap seemed odd to me. It made more sense for John to make the leap because of the moaning noise of text message alert and the previous conversations that John has had with Irene.

 

Maybe it's a song about being sad that you can't have physically be with someone anymore because they're dead/ gone? I'm a Leonard Cohen fan, so melancholy songs about sex seem pretty par for the course to me.

 

Yeah, I totally didn't know how to read the song myself, but I was kind of glad she said it was about sex and not love, even if she is mad. Just in case that reflects the writers and they are conceding that the Sherlock/ irene thing was more a physical attraction than anything else. Eurus has some pretty bizarre ideas about both sex and love, probably, though, so she's hardly an expert on either.

 

I thought that was sort of part of the point of her "Have you had sex," remark, actually ... she can't really distinguish between sex/love/lust/violence/whatever. She understands sensations, but not what they are.

 

I wonder if this is an actual condition that some people have? I've never heard of anything quite like it, but it's not exactly an area I've researched. I understand there are people who don't seem to have emotions, but to have them and not know what they are ... wow. It seems possible though. (I have trouble knowing what I'm feeling myself, sometimes!)

[Surelock]

 

 

Didn't Sherlock compose that song when he thought Irene was dead? It's a meloncholy theme so why would sex be the primary association with it if you were hearing it for the first time? That is why the Eurus leap seemed odd to me. It made more sense for John to make the leap because of the moaning noise of text message alert and the previous conversations that John has had with Irene.

 

Maybe it's a song about being sad that you can't have physically be with someone anymore because they're dead/ gone? I'm a Leonard Cohen fan, so melancholy songs about sex seem pretty par for the course to me.

 

Yeah, I totally didn't know how to read the song myself, but I was kind of glad she said it was about sex and not love, even if she is mad. Just in case that reflects the writers and they are conceding that the Sherlock/ irene thing was more a physical attraction than anything else. Eurus has some pretty bizarre ideas about both sex and love, probably, though, so she's hardly an expert on either.

 

I thought that was sort of part of the point of her "Have you had sex," remark, actually ... she can't really distinguish between sex/love/lust/violence/whatever. She understands sensations, but not what they are.

 

I wonder if this is an actual condition that some people have? I've never heard of anything quite like it, but it's not exactly an area I've researched. I understand there are people who don't seem to have emotions, but to have them and not know what they are ... wow. It seems possible though. (I have trouble knowing what I'm feeling myself, sometimes!)

 

 

Well Euros did say that when they were kids she thought Sherlock was laughing when he was actually screaming.

 

 

 

Wait this is the Molly thread so why am I discussing Euros? It's funny how we can't even keep this thread on topic. It shows how neglected Molly was this season.

[Arcadia]

Exactly. Molly only had one significant scene.

 

We could discuss how her fashion sense hasn't improved in the final glimpse we have of her. :p

[Carol the Dabbler]

I'd say she had at least two significant scenes. Of course the phone scene was most memorable, but there was nothing wrong with the ambulance scene. And that's just off the top of my head, so there may be others as well.

[gerry]

Exactly. Molly only had one significant scene.

 

We could discuss how her fashion sense hasn't improved in the final glimpse we have of her. :p

Her fashion sense is horrible though isn't it? That's definitely something that doesn't fit with molly and Sherlock, he's a much better dresser. One of the few times molly has dressed up (xmas scene) Sherlock was pretty cruel to her so maybe there's a reason!

[bedelia1984]

 

Exactly. Molly only had one significant scene.

 

We could discuss how her fashion sense hasn't improved in the final glimpse we have of her. :p

Her fashion sense is horrible though isn't it? That's definitely something that doesn't fit with molly and Sherlock, he's a much better dresser. One of the few times molly has dressed up (xmas scene) Sherlock was pretty cruel to her so maybe there's a reason!

I thought Molly's dress at the christening was cute! And I have decided I like her wacky taste in jumpers. But I do think they could have bought her some new stuff. I know it isn't really the case but it seems like she's been wearing the same cardigan about seven years.

[T.o.b.y]

I like Molly's outfits... You should see what I wear! :-D

[bedelia1984]

The ambulance scene was weird for me. I wondered if here was a subtext to the look Sherlock gave her before he went in to the hospital, so then afterwards of course I thought she must have been in on the whole thing? But did other people think that, and if so, was their dead/stressed exchange supposed to have been rehearsed?

 

One thing I liked at the christening was that Mrs. Hudson ended up having to scold both Molly and Sherlock for causing a distraction. I see both her and Sherlock as being socially inept in some of the same ways.

[Surelock]

I don't see Molly as socially inept. She just gets carried away whenever she's around the love of her life, Sherlock.

 

I do find her crush on Sherlock to be out-of-place in a way. I mean she's in her 30s but she acts like a teenage girl who's fallen in love for the first time.

[bedelia1984]

Don't you think her crush has changed a bit though? She does stand up to Sherlock now, and I don't picture her trying to ingratiate herself with him in the same way as season one, anymore. I agree the feeling hasn't changed, but her behavior has, which seems like the only part she has control over.

 

I think one of the reasons I see her that way (socially inept) is that she makes bad jokes at lot- like to Mrs. Hudson in Scandal, and her phone message too, about being in the dead centre of town. And even that bit of mortician's humour to Greg... I actually like her sense of humour though, because it is downright silly. But I picture her not quite getting how to behave in some social situations.

 

I think Sherlock said as part of his deductions that Molly that she wasn't close to her family. That was kind of sad. I wonder what kind of family she has left. She seemed like she was alone at Christmas in Scandal too. I can't imagine what family wouldn't adore Molly. Though I'm biased, of course.

 

Maybe she was only close to her father, who dies, and her parents had been divorced a long time? 

[Arcadia]

 

 

Exactly. Molly only had one significant scene.

 

We could discuss how her fashion sense hasn't improved in the final glimpse we have of her. :P

Her fashion sense is horrible though isn't it? That's definitely something that doesn't fit with molly and Sherlock, he's a much better dresser. One of the few times molly has dressed up (xmas scene) Sherlock was pretty cruel to her so maybe there's a reason!

 

I thought Molly's dress at the christening was cute! And I have decided I like her wacky taste in jumpers. But I do think they could have bought her some new stuff. I know it isn't really the case but it seems like she's been wearing the same cardigan about seven years.

 

I thought it was cute too, that's why I specifically mentioned the final scene. She looked fine the rest of the time.

 

I like Molly's outfits... You should see what I wear! :-D

 

​Oh, there wasn't anything wrong with the outfit per se, it just doesn't fit her right. I guess that's suppose to represent someone who buys "off the rack", but she could find stuff that fit her body type better. Like the christening dress, for example!

 

The ambulance scene was weird for me. I wondered if here was a subtext to the look Sherlock gave her before he went in to the hospital, so then afterwards of course I thought she must have been in on the whole thing? But did other people think that, and if so, was their dead/stressed exchange supposed to have been rehearsed?

 

​I can't tell one way or the other. But that's what I would like to believe; that she's in on it, and exaggerates Sherlock's condition to help convince John. But I suspect she's not.

 

I don't consider that scene significant  because it could have been anyone, it didn't have to be Molly. It felt very much to me like they just wrote her into that scene because they know the fans like to see her. Whereas with the ILY scene, I don't see how it could have been anyone else.

 

I don't see Molly as socially inept. She just gets carried away whenever she's around the love of her life, Sherlock.

 

I do find her crush on Sherlock to be out-of-place in a way. I mean she's in her 30s but she acts like a teenage girl who's fallen in love for the first time.

Yeah, that's getting a little hard to maintain. But Sherlock's often acted far younger than his years, too. (So they're perfect for each other! :d) But I get the impression they intend for everyone to be much more "mature" if the show ever returns. That's another reason why it's so hard for me to figure out how they can include Molly in the story after this; if she maintains her schoolgirl crush, she'll just seem pathetic instead of sympathetic. :(

[bedelia1984]

 

 

 

Exactly. Molly only had one significant scene.

 

We could discuss how her fashion sense hasn't improved in the final glimpse we have of her. :P

Her fashion sense is horrible though isn't it? That's definitely something that doesn't fit with molly and Sherlock, he's a much better dresser. One of the few times molly has dressed up (xmas scene) Sherlock was pretty cruel to her so maybe there's a reason!

 

I thought Molly's dress at the christening was cute! And I have decided I like her wacky taste in jumpers. But I do think they could have bought her some new stuff. I know it isn't really the case but it seems like she's been wearing the same cardigan about seven years.

 

I thought it was cute too, that's why I specifically mentioned the final scene. She looked fine the rest of the time.

 

 

I think the outfit at the end might have been a bit of a nod to the fans? You know, like Molly's greatest hits? I have never been to one of those dress up conventions, but I understand people going as her often try to wear a cardigan like that, with the cherries on.

 

 

 

 

The ambulance scene was weird for me. I wondered if here was a subtext to the look Sherlock gave her before he went in to the hospital, so then afterwards of course I thought she must have been in on the whole thing? But did other people think that, and if so, was their dead/stressed exchange supposed to have been rehearsed?

 

​I can't tell one way or the other. But that's what I would like to believe; that she's in on it, and exaggerates Sherlock's condition to help convince John. But I suspect she's not.

 

I don't consider that scene significant  because it could have been anyone, it didn't have to be Molly. It felt very much to me like they just wrote her into that scene because they know the fans like to see her. Whereas with the ILY scene, I don't see how it could have been anyone else.

 

 

 

 

I can't quite make up my mind if it matters or not. If we believe that she knows he's faking, at least that shows her to still be a confidant?

 

Then again, he's not really faking being quite sick, so I can see her still being genuinely worried. For some reason, my head-canon is that Sherlock is lecturing her in the ambulance over about how she has to play up how badly off he is, whilst she tells him he really is taking it too far. And that his 'you seem stressed' is  his way of saying she's not being convincing enough, and trying to cover for it by making her seem more worried.

 

Because  actually his line, something like: 'I'm worried about you, you seem stressed,' isn't very like him, I don't think we see him vocalise his concern for others much in general. Until TFP of course, when he turns into a big, soppy mess.  :P

[Carol the Dabbler]

I like Molly's outfits... You should see what I wear! :-D

 

I'm not real fond of Molly's wardrobe -- just not my personal style, plus she sometimes wears things badly.  But I agree with what I take to be your underlying point, namely why do we expect people on tv to be perfectly dressed and perfectly groomed every moment of the day?  Why can't they just dress like real people -- including people like you and me who are, shall we say, not fashion conscious?

[J.P.]

Well, she works with dead people, why should she care? :P

[T.o.b.y]

 

I like Molly's outfits... You should see what I wear! :-D

 

I'm not real fond of Molly's wardrobe -- just not my personal style, plus she sometimes wears things badly.  But I agree with what I take to be your underlying point, namely why do we expect people on tv to be perfectly dressed and perfectly groomed every moment of the day?  Why can't they just dress like real people -- including people like you and me who are, shall we say, not fashion conscious?

 

Actually, I meant that I genuinely like Molly's style of dress.

 

[Arcadia]

I think the outfit at the end might have been a bit of a nod to the fans? You know, like Molly's greatest hits? I have never been to one of those dress up conventions, but I understand people going as her often try to wear a cardigan like that, with the cherries on.

Oh, yes! I like this idea. It seems like something they'd do.

 

 

For some reason, my head-canon is that Sherlock is lecturing her in the ambulance over about how she has to play up how badly off he is, whilst she tells him he really is taking it too far. And that his 'you seem stressed' is  his way of saying she's not being convincing enough, and trying to cover for it by making her seem more worried.

 

Because  actually his line, something like: 'I'm worried about you, you seem stressed,' isn't very like him, I don't think we see him vocalise his concern for others much in general. Until TFP of course, when he turns into a big, soppy mess.  :P

 

That's sort of how I imagine it going down, yeah. But I didn't think his "you seem stressed" was meant to be a sign of caring, I thought it was meant to be snarky. Which is another reason I hope she was in on it, because then he was being snarky to fool John, and not to be mean to her. But I still suspect the latter is what Moffat had in mind. Alas, I guess there's no way we'll ever know.

 

One thing I'm puzzled about ... why do some people snicker at Molly getting into the ambulance with Sherlock? Do they think Sherlock had to take his clothes off, or something? I mean, she would've ... what, taken his temp and his blood pressure, maybe listened to his lungs and heart ... what have I missed? Oh, wait ... did he have to pee in a jar again? That might have been awkward ...

[T.o.b.y]

:-D There's nothing awkward about nudity in a medical context if you ask me... But if people want to imagine anything naughty went down in there, be my guest.

[bedelia1984]

 

For some reason, my head-canon is that Sherlock is lecturing her in the ambulance over about how she has to play up how badly off he is, whilst she tells him he really is taking it too far. And that his 'you seem stressed' is  his way of saying she's not being convincing enough, and trying to cover for it by making her seem more worried.

 

Because  actually his line, something like: 'I'm worried about you, you seem stressed,' isn't very like him, I don't think we see him vocalise his concern for others much in general. Until TFP of course, when he turns into a big, soppy mess.  :P

 

That's sort of how I imagine it going down, yeah. But I didn't think his "you seem stressed" was meant to be a sign of caring, I thought it was meant to be snarky. Which is another reason I hope she was in on it, because then he was being snarky to fool John, and not to be mean to her. But I still suspect the latter is what Moffat had in mind. Alas, I guess there's no way we'll ever know.

 

One thing I'm puzzled about ... why do some people snicker at Molly getting into the ambulance with Sherlock? Do they think Sherlock had to take his clothes off, or something? I mean, she would've ... what, taken his temp and his blood pressure, maybe listened to his lungs and heart ... what have I missed? Oh, wait ... did he have to pee in a jar again? That might have been awkward ...

 

 

Yes, it is just that feeling that something is missing, from the stressed dialogue, but I'm not sure what it is.

 

About the ambulance thing, I think Sherlock's 'Just tell me when to cough.' line started the ball rolling, as it were, on the speculations. You'll be disappointed to know that some people didn't stop the speculation at whether he'd had to disrobe for medical reasons, but went on to suggest that Molly's cardigan was unbuttoned by the end of the ambulance journey, again for reasons less than professional. And also, Sherlock's 'Hope you remembered my coat,' line, some people had the audacity to suggest was because he'd been staying at her place.

 

I was so disappointed at all the unfounded allegations that I stopped reading at that point! :D

[Arcadia]

:-D There's nothing awkward about nudity in a medical context if you ask me... But if people want to imagine anything naughty went down in there, be my guest.

 

So you're saying there's some reason why he would have disrobed in the ambulance? That's the part that confuses me.

 

Wait ... did he change clothes? I can't remember if he was dressed or not when he was "once moring into the breach." (As ever, I see but do not observe.) If that's the case, then all is explained.

 

 

About the ambulance thing, I think Sherlock's 'Just tell me when to cough.' line started the ball rolling, as it were, on the speculations. You'll be disappointed to know that some people didn't stop the speculation at whether he'd had to disrobe for medical reasons, but went on to suggest that Molly's cardigan was unbuttoned by the end of the ambulance journey, again for reasons less than professional. And also, Sherlock's 'Hope you remembered my coat,' line, some people had the audacity to suggest was because he'd been staying at her place.

 

I was so disappointed at all the unfounded allegations that I stopped reading at that point! :D

 

 

Okay, then, "Just tell me when to cough" must be innuendo I'm not familiar with, because I can't imagine how you'd get any naughty thoughts from that!

 

You'll be disappointed to know that I'd be happy to learn that Molly's cardigan was unbuttoned for reasons less than professional, because I think Sherlock's a big dope to overlook her the way he seems to. xd

[bedelia1984]

 

:-D There's nothing awkward about nudity in a medical context if you ask me... But if people want to imagine anything naughty went down in there, be my guest.

 

So you're saying there's some reason why he would have disrobed in the ambulance? That's the part that confuses me.

 

Wait ... did he change clothes? I can't remember if he was dressed or not when he was "once moring into the breach." (As ever, I see but do not observe.) If that's the case, then all is explained.

 

 

About the ambulance thing, I think Sherlock's 'Just tell me when to cough.' line started the ball rolling, as it were, on the speculations. You'll be disappointed to know that some people didn't stop the speculation at whether he'd had to disrobe for medical reasons, but went on to suggest that Molly's cardigan was unbuttoned by the end of the ambulance journey, again for reasons less than professional. And also, Sherlock's 'Hope you remembered my coat,' line, some people had the audacity to suggest was because he'd been staying at her place.

 

I was so disappointed at all the unfounded allegations that I stopped reading at that point! :D

 

 

Okay, then, "Just tell me when to cough" must be innuendo I'm not familiar with, because I can't imagine how you'd get any naughty thoughts from that!

 

You'll be disappointed to know that I'd be happy to learn that Molly's cardigan was unbuttoned for reasons less than professional, because I think Sherlock's a big dope to overlook her the way he seems to. XD

 

 

Arcdaia, please excuse the indelicacy, but what's insinuated is that it's what a doctor says whilst holding somebody's testicles for a hernia exam!

 

And I'm both disappointed and dismayed that you've compelled me to say that when I had no intent of spreading any sort of unfounded rumours about what may or may not have happened with or without clothing in the ambulance.

[Arcadia]

 
Okay, I see the problem. Because when my doctor tells me to cough, I'm fully clothed and he's not handling anything except his stethoscope.  :D

 

Thanks, all is clear now. Ah, enlightenment.