Molly Hooper

[sfmpco]

I think she caught him a little off-guard at the wedding, but he caught her off-guard too and a friendship was formed.  But he used her to get to Magnussen, so I think once he discovered her connection, he made the fakery switch.

[Arcadia]

True dat.

[T.o.b.y]

Someone pointed out somewhere "on the internet" that during the wedding waltz, everyone is looking at the couple, save Molly, who is looking at Sherlock. Now I want to watch The Sign of Three yet again to see whether that is true. It would make sense enough.

 

Poor Molly. Dear Molly. I'm still worried that Moriarty will come for her if he's alive. He'd better be dead.

[sfmpco]

Yes, it is true.  She has eyes only for Sherlock, and she's the one who sees him leave early.

[sittything]

 

[Arcadia]

Actually, she's watching him part of the time, and the newlyweds part of the time. What gets me, though, is the look on her face when Sherlock tosses his boutonniere to Janine. Aghghgh.

[sfmpco]

That's because he's already starting to play Janine.

[sittything]

Just to torture Arcadia...

 

[Arcadia]

Just to torture Arcadia...

 

 

Wahhhhh!!!!! Just stab me in the heart next time!

 

That's because he's already starting to play Janine.

 

You think so? Huh. I hadn't thought of that, but then there's no way to know when Lady Smallwood contacted Sherlock, is there? Yeh, could be. Stoopid twerp, he could have at least waited until Molly wasn't standing right next to her .... grrrrr.

 

I'm less worried about Moriarty hurting her than I am about Sherlock hurting her; although I don't think he ever means to.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I'm less worried about Moriarty hurting her than I am about Sherlock hurting her; although I don't think he ever means to.

The same could probably be said for any of Sherlock's friends.

[sfmpco]

He probably explains it away in his head in that he's not serious about Janine so why should Molly care?  That's just him being "a bit not good."  But I do think he understands a BIT when Janine says that they could have still been friends that he really did wrong her.

[sittything]

I worry about Molly, constantly.  ;)  She seems so gentle and fragile at times, but then she surprises me at times too.  And Sherlock can be such a bull in a china shop with people emotionally, but then he seemed so gentle with her in season 3 so I have hope that even if Sherlock and Molly are always just friends, he won't break her heart.

 

 

[Arcadia]

 

I'm less worried about Moriarty hurting her than I am about Sherlock hurting her; although I don't think he ever means to.

The same could probably be said for any of Sherlock's friends.

 

 

Molly just seems more vulnerable, though. She cares more how he treats her, perhaps? Or maybe because the others already have the relationship they want with him, but she wants more?

 

He probably explains it away in his head in that he's not serious about Janine so why should Molly care?  That's just him being "a bit not good."  But I do think he understands a BIT when Janine says that they could have still been friends that he really did wrong her.

 

Yup. And also I think he realizes he missed a chance to make a real friend ... and perhaps find a better way out of the situation with CAM. That would require him accepting help from another person, though, wouldn't it? Nah, never happen. :p Unless maybe it's John.

[T.o.b.y]

Yup. And also I think he realizes he missed a chance to make a real friend ... and perhaps find a better way out of the situation with CAM. That would require him accepting help from another person, though, wouldn't it? Nah, never happen. :P Unless maybe it's John.

 

Somewhere else "on the internet" (read: random Sherlock-related blogs I read occasionally because it comforts me to find that others are even more crazy than myself), I read the comment "Sherlock never calls for help - he only ever calls for John". Well, yeah, that is true, come to think of it, but the only person he's ever actively gone to for help is Molly, in The Reichenbach Fall.

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Nope, there was Raz in "Blind Banker."  (Though not wanting him to help save his life, admittedly.)

 

[T.o.b.y]

Asking for professional advice is not the same as asking for help, I think. Asking for help implies a certain vulnerability, which I don't think we ever see Sherlock admit to before anybody else but Molly. I really, really, really don't "ship" Sherlock and Molly, but that is just the way they write those characters, I think.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Sherlock gets assistance from Raz and the Homeless Network to get information that he needs and to keep their eyes open for suspicious stuff regarding a case.  He asks Molly for help to fake his death (not completely for a case).

[sfmpco]

Raz?

[SherlockedCAMPer]

The guy that was spray painting the building when Sherlock asked him about the yellow paint in TBB.

[sfmpco]

Ah yes of course.  I rarely watch that one.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I double checked the transcripts to make sure we had it right once I remembered the episode (started the search in TGG then went duh when I remembered that I needed TBB ).

[Boton]

 

 

I'm less worried about Moriarty hurting her than I am about Sherlock hurting her; although I don't think he ever means to.

The same could probably be said for any of Sherlock's friends.

 

 

Molly just seems more vulnerable, though. She cares more how he treats her, perhaps? Or maybe because the others already have the relationship they want with him, but she wants more?

 

He probably explains it away in his head in that he's not serious about Janine so why should Molly care?  That's just him being "a bit not good."  But I do think he understands a BIT when Janine says that they could have still been friends that he really did wrong her.

 

Yup. And also I think he realizes he missed a chance to make a real friend ... and perhaps find a better way out of the situation with CAM. That would require him accepting help from another person, though, wouldn't it? Nah, never happen. :P Unless maybe it's John.

 

 

Yep, and I think this is part of the reason I cringe at the idea of Sherlock and Molly together, but I'm a Sherlock/Janine shipper (to the extent I care).  I feel like Sherlock would have to get a whole lot nicer to be in a relationship with Molly that wouldn't hurt her or disappoint her, and I really don't want to watch a "nice" Sherlock for very long.  I think Sherlock could continue to be a jerk but maybe just stop being quite so tone-deaf all the time and wind up in some sort of mutually beneficial relationship with Janine.

 

And maybe that's the other thing.  I keep thinking that Molly needs/deserves a white wedding and a truly romantic partner, and I never want to see Sherlock Holmes approach the altar for any reason other than his being John's best man (in SoT, and in his next marriage if something happens to Mary).  With Janine, I can see them sliding into this casual "friends with benefits" thing in middle and old age and being perfectly happy.

 

So, I don't know, but I think I just argued myself into the position that Molly is too good for Sherlock.  

 

Edited because:  Spelling.  It's always something.

[sfmpco]

Sherlock has a public persona and a private persona although the two are nearly indistinguishable in ASIP.  By the time we get to TEH, I think we are seeing a more genuine (not softer or kinder) Sherlock.  And certainly in his very private moments with someone, like the little exchange with Molly at the bottom of the stairs, he can be quite genuine and dare i say NORMAL.  In fact, it's a tender moment in his relationship with her (and they DO have a relationship albeit a friendship).  

 

So it is perfectly conceivable to me that were he ever in a relationship with a woman, that his private moments with her would not be a reflection of his public persona but that he actually is capable of vulnerability and tenderness and caring.

[Arcadia]

I wonder if it comes naturally to him, though, or if he has to make a conscious effort to act more "normal" with Molly. I'm inclined to think the fond but exasperated way he treats Mrs. Hudson is closer to his comfort level. Actually, the term I use to describe him around Molly is "careful." But his default tendency, imo, is to be careless ... and you have to develop a thick hide to put up with that for very long.

 

He's a little more "normal" around Mary, too, isn't he? I think Sherlock's scared by girls; they might break, or something. :P

[sittything]

I think the fact that he treats Molly differently is what led me to getting all stupid over them.