Episode 3.1, "The Empty Hearse"

[Arcadia]

Another observation: I wonder how far the reprimand for Mr Windibank (the stepfather who faked the online romance) was actually staged for Molly. Sherlock's natural reaction would be more like: "hmm... that's brilliant", don't you think?

No, I don't think so. Because this case is based on a whole Sherlock Holmes story ("A Case of Identity"), and Holmes certainly did not seem to admire the stepfather very much or think his actions very brilliant. He didn't actually say the word "pisspot" but:

“The law cannot, as you say, touch you,” said Holmes, unlocking and throwing open the door, “yet there never was a man who deserved punishment more. If the young lady has a brother or a friend, he ought to lay a whip across your shoulders. By Jove!” he continued, flushing up at the sight of the bitter sneer upon the man’s face, “it is not part of my duties to my client, but here’s a hunting crop handy, and I think I shall just treat myself to—” He took two swift steps to the whip, but before he could grasp it there was a wild clatter of steps upon the stairs, the heavy hall door banged, and from the window we could see Mr. James Windibank running at the top of his speed down the road."

 

He does give Molly a really significant look just before, but I actually thought it was because he thought she'd be appalled by the man......

Makes me wonder even more. It's so un-Sherlock-ish to show compassion without hidden agenda...

For some reason this makes me think especially of the stag night, when he's drunk and he's listening to a woman's story of how she's been betrayed and he almost starts to get emotional for a split and then looks so annoyed about it...

 

Oh, I think his reaction to Mr. Windybanks was genuine; our Sherl does so like to present himself as the protector knight when it comes to the honor of the ladies, methinks. :D But I originally thought ... and sometimes still do ... that when he was comforting the girl, and he shot that look at Molly, that he was rolling his eyes, as in "can you believe how tiresome this woman is?" Does anyone else see that? To me that would be soooo Sherlock.....

[bedelia1984]

But I originally thought ... and sometimes still do ... that when he was comforting the girl, and he shot that look at Molly, that he was rolling his eyes, as in "can you believe how tiresome this woman is?" Does anyone else see that? To me that would be soooo Sherlock.....

 

 

Ha, I can imagine him thinking that, all right, although if so he was looking to the wrong person for backup.

 

My original thought at the time was that right then he'd figured out the case, and looked at Molly to see had she figured it out (that was the look), which he really didn't want her to, because it would rob him of his moment of glory when he explains it all. I might still think that, actually.

[T.o.b.y]

Oh, I think his reaction to Mr. Windybanks was genuine; our Sherl does so like to present himself as the protector knight when it comes to the honor of the ladies, methinks. :D But I originally thought ... and sometimes still do ... that when he was comforting the girl, and he shot that look at Molly, that he was rolling his eyes, as in "can you believe how tiresome this woman is?" Does anyone else see that? To me that would be soooo Sherlock.....

 

I think he does consider her tiresome, and the original Holmes felt the same about her. You know, that's one of the things I have always liked about the man: He's pretty chivalrous, but out of principle, not because he's attracted to the women he protects or hopes they will reward him with sex or any other kind of attention. He doesn't like them, but still doesn't think it's acceptable to harm them.

 

Maybe that's why I think it's so essential to the character that he's not looking for romance. He'd loose that.

 

Oh, Sherlock Holmes, my big hero. Re-reading that story has thrown me into a fit of teenage infatuation. Let all the nights in shining armor help out the pretty girls - this pipe-smoking, cocaine-abusing loner will solve the problems of people like me (provided they are interesting enough) and tell us to be brave.

 

 

[Arcadia]

'Xactly!

[J.P.]

But what about his behavior towards that lady at the boarding school? That wasn't anywhere near chivalrous.

[Arcadia]

No, but she wasn't a victim or in danger, either.

[J.P.]

But she had a BLANKET! She was in shock - and that before her encounter with Sherlock in his Smaug-y mode.

[T.o.b.y]

Sherlock can be a similar kind of awful towards Mrs Hudson, but when she's attacked, the gangster goes straight out the window.

 

I love people like that, people who are so blunt it hurts sometimes but who will stand up for you when it really matters.

[Arcadia]

But she had a BLANKET! She was in shock - and that before her encounter with Sherlock in his Smaug-y mode.

Blanket shmanket, he needed her to speak quickly. :p

[Carol the Dabbler]

Blanket shmanket, he needed her to speak quickly. :P

 

Why -- because he's an impatient son-of-a-bitch?  What difference was a few minutes likely to make?

[Shadow Dweller]

 

 

Blanket shmanket, he needed her to speak quickly. :P

Why -- because he's an impatient son-of-a-bitch? What difference was a few minutes likely to make?

He needs her honest answer and reactions.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Seemed like what he got was just a rapid repeat of what she'd already told to so many police that she had nearly memorized it.  But yeah, he may have intended to shock her into blurting out The Real Truth, and when she didn't, he decided that she'd been telling it all along.  Could be a valid technique, and perhaps no harsher than might be justified in a kidnapping inquiry.

 

[Arcadia]

If she'd blurted out that she was an accomplice everyone would have thought he was brilliant! :D

[Carol the Dabbler]

 

Kinda like Tom's meat dagger.  ;) 

 

 

[Van Buren Supernova]

I remember my first reaction to that scene was, Oh my! Then burst out laughing.

Then I looked at Lestrade and John's horror expressions and laughed even more.

Nobody says I'm a nice person XD

[Arcadia]

Sociopath, I get it now..... :p

[Shadow Dweller]

(this) End (still) justify the means.

[Van Buren Supernova]

Sociopath, I get it now..... :p

At first I was flattered, because Sherlock says he is sociopath too (the funny thing we feel for this show).

 

But then.. I realize you never said high-functioning....

[J.P.]

Isn't is obvious?

[Arcadia]

 

Sociopath, I get it now..... :P

At first I was flattered, because Sherlock says he is sociopath too (the funny thing we feel for this show).

 

But then.. I realize you never said high-functioning....

 

 

[Shadow Dweller]

I wonder, what might Sherlock think and feel when he realize that he lost John to marriage.

[J.P.]

Awww... poor baby...

But seriously. He decides to take it like a man. He tries to entertain himself without shooting walls (and grilling an eye instead), resists smoking, takes Molly for a stroll, and there is no evidence that the boys haven't solved a crime or two in that time, is it?

 

But inside I think he is lost and must be sad, especially because he cannot blame anybody but himself. And it's very busy trying to deny it. ;)

[Van Buren Supernova]

Isn't is obvious?

No. No!

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

(Ok, I'll go and try to find some sociopath test XD)

 

I wonder, what might Sherlock think and feel when he realize that he lost John to marriage.

I think at first he rolls his eyes, and convinces himself that marriage doesn't mean anything to their relationship. He really believes that until John asks him to be his best man.

 

Maybe at that moment, something really snaps and he evaluates everything. The capability of love and being loved, and how powerful is that even for Sherlock. Mrs. Hudson is half right. It's not marriage, it's sentiment, love. It changes people. What Mrs. Hudson says that morning affects him because he experiences the impact on himself.

 

There is nothing more scary to him, not being tortured, not shooting people in the face, not jumping from the building, is as scary as facing the wedding and writing that speech.

[J.P.]

Amen! :D

[Shadow Dweller]

Means Sherlock just realized that on the best, he has been operating only on partial 'truth' all these times and worst, he has been deluding himself by deliberately ignoring the emotional side of things. A major shift of paradigm.