Holiday-Special News ("Abominable Bride")

[Carol the Dabbler]

I sincerely doubt that they expect us not to notice.  They could be deliberately trying to fool us, but I don't offhand see why they'd do that in this particular case.

 

[Inge l-w]

Mr Moffat trying to fool an audience? Whatever gave you that idea, dear Carol?

The place is structured like a private library in the Special, and in Birlstone Manor there would be such a place. Combine that with "you were supposed to keep him safe" said by the lady, and we are definitely in Valley of Fear/Sussex Vampire territory! No need for Mycroft in either.

[J.P.]

Hey, they know their fandom. They know that we will analyze and put apart every scene. The stuffed head is deliberate. They will scatter a whole load of hints to keep us busy for another year as they do with canon and other cinematic references.

 

The room doesn't have to be representing Mycroft's private office at Victorian Diogenes Club, but it is possible. John was there several times, so why not Sherlock?

[joanneta1]

Modern Sherlock would say: do your research! Both times Mycroft needs something from Sherlock, he summons him. In the Greek Interpreter to his club, in The Bruce-Partington Plans through messenger service! Sherlock  goes to the mountain, not the other way round!

[sfmpco]

Arwel Jones just commented on Twitter that the special could have been an Easter special - i.e. there are lots of hidden Easter eggs in it.  So, we'll all be needing to keep our eyes peeled.

 

https://twitter.com/arwelwjones/status/652411530680647680

[joanneta1]

Luckily, sfmpco, you have your annotated Sherlock Holmes, so you can go Easter egg hunting with the best of us hard-core ACD fans!

 

[J.P.]

Arwel Jones just commented on Twitter that the special could have been an Easter special - i.e. there are lots of hidden Easter eggs in it.  So, we'll all be needing to keep our eyes peeled.

 

https://twitter.com/arwelwjones/status/652411530680647680

 

Well, as I said... -_- :D

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

The room doesn't have to be representing Mycroft's private office at Victorian Diogenes Club, but it is possible. John was there several times, so why not Sherlock?

 

Both times Mycroft needs something from Sherlock, he summons him. In the Greek Interpreter to his club, in The Bruce-Partington Plans through messenger service! Sherlock  goes to the mountain, not the other way round!

 

Right.  I didn't mean to imply that Sherlock couldn't go to the Diogenes Club, just that (unless they break with both ACD canon and BBC Sherlock canon) he's not a member, and therefore could be there only as a guest of a member, presumably Mycroft.

 

However, that room may not technically be Mycroft's private domain.  In the original stories, Mycroft meets with Sherlock in the Stranger's Room, basically a guest parlor, because that's the only place in the whole Club where speaking is allowed.  In the show, Mycroft does appear to use it quite a lot for his own personal / governmental business, but if it's supposed to represent the Stranger's Room, then at least in theory any Club member could use it -- so it's possible that Sherlock is actually there to meet someone else -- but considering how anti-social all those men are, it seems unlikely that Sherlock would be acquainted with any of them.

 

[sittything]

I'm betting that's meant to be the Diogenes Club.  The only thing that really looks different is that the Victorian one has wallpaper instead of white paint?  Or it painted a darker red color above the paneling?  It's hard to tell because it's so dark in the trailer.  The Victorian photo is smaller and attached b/c I did a screenshot of YouTube so I had no URL to link to like the modern day image I pulled from Google.  Had to upload it to here.  

 

There's a scene later in the trailer too where Sherlock is in the same room and he says, "I have to finish this."  I'm betting he went to see Mycroft and that's who he's talking to.  That and Mycroft's dyed hair.  I just don't see any reason why he wouldn't be in it based on all that.

[J.P.]

Mark's dyed hair. :-) Your obsession starts to be dangerous when you mix actors with their characters.

[sittything]

Oh yeah, that too J.P.   :P   I'm not sure if I find Mycroft so delightful b/c Gatiss plays him.  Or if I find Gatiss so delightful b/c he plays Mycoft.  I'm assuming it's the former.  

 

 

I should probably just see myself over to the Gatiss thread now for gratuitous gif posting...

[Inge l-w]

Have you considered that he still had his hair dyed because of the Game of Thrones thingie? It was back in January/February when that photo of Mr Gatiss was taken.

[Caya]

Is his hair dyed as Tycho Nestoris? I thought this was his natural colour (?).

 

[sittything]

I haven't gotten that far in Game.of Thrones yet. His hair looks shorter and lighter in the pic Caya posted.

[Van Buren Supernova]

Phew.. thanks for a lot of savings Carol. Just had the chance to see it, definetely don't wish to be spoiled in other threads.

 

I don't have anything much to say now, it seems like I'm the only one who likes the hair though. XD. I like him curly or Khan's style. Hmm..hm.. I'm helpless.

 

"Nothing made me. I made me." Soooo freakin' cool!

I like You are Sherlock Holmes. Wear the damn hat. :lol:

Wonder why John sounds very angry there.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I didn't mean to imply that Sherlock couldn't go to the Diogenes Club, just that (unless they break with both ACD canon and BBC Sherlock canon) he's not a member, and therefore could be there only as a guest of a member, presumably Mycroft.

 

Alex has pointed out one other possibility to me:  There has been a crime at the Club, and Sherlock is there as a guest of Scotland Yard!

 

[T.o.b.y]

All the good stuff in this fandom seems to happen while I'm away... I was gone for a week and this is the first real chance I have to catch up on what's new online - and what do I find but a new trailer for The Special! I just watched the thing like five times with my best set of earphones.

 

OH MY GOD I AM SO EXCITED WHEN WILL THIS AIR IT WILL BE FANTASTIC!

 

Ahem.

 

Seriously though, didn't it look for one moment as if Moriarty might make an appearance? I tried to stop the video and take a good look at the person, but I never quite caught the right moment.

 

As for why Mary is in black... Maybe in the Victorian version, they introduce her "properly", i.e. as an orphan working as a governess who comes to Holmes as a client?

 

Thinking about ghosts... I do remember one direct quote from a Sherlock Holmes story: "Of all ghosts the ghosts of our old lovers are the worst."

This is from "The Gloria Scott", a story set in, tadaa... Holmes' past! And didn't he say something about people's pasts in the trailer? It wasn't the detective himself who had a lover in the story, of course - in fact, it was nobody. The quote is something old Mr Trevor says, but he's not really haunted by an old lover. It's an old enemy. But anyway. The trailer made me think maybe they used elements of The Gloria Scott. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Seriously though, didn't it look for one moment as if Moriarty might make an appearance? I tried to stop the video and take a good look at the person, but I never quite caught the right moment.

I don't recall thinking that, but that proves precious little. What scene was that?

 

As for why Mary is in black... Maybe in the Victorian version, they introduce her "properly", i.e. as an orphan working as a governess who comes to Holmes as a client?

If they were going to show Mary as in Sign of the Four, they would dress her rather plainly, but not in black:  "The dress was a sombre greyish beige, untrimmed and unbraided, and she wore a small turban of the same dull hue, relieved only by a suspicion of white feather in the side."

 

More likely there's been a fairly recent death, i.e. in the past year or so -- though not in her family.  As you say, she's an orphan in the Conan Doyle story (and has no relatives in England).  That parallel between the original and "our" Mary had not occurred to me till you mentioned it.

 

[Boswell]

...hmm...I've just seen the trailer and it's a knockout...it's a crash course on 'how to make a good trailer'

While 'Victorian' Benedict is by himself pure magic , what i found surprisingly cool in this trailer is Martin Freeman looking quite dashing. This man has range!

 

I'm going to let my brain wallow in this for a bit before i try to make sense of the more recent posts about it!

 

 

[Boswell]

"Well Holmes, surely you must have some theory?"

 

Should that not be "Well Holmes, surely you have some theory?"

or "Well Holmes, you must have some theory?" in order to be grammatically accurate; at least, for the period?

 

Did they just spoil my favourite line in this trailer? 

 

Inge, i'd love for you to correct me here..

[Inge l-w]

Dear Boswell, the writers are ACD fans and we don't know the context: the whole Victorian sequence may be a smokescreen, so they are aping the style but not sticking to the form. Grammatically, it is not correct, because ' surely' denotes uncertainty, so 'must' is redundant.

It would explain that highly upsetting : "You are Sherlock Holmes, wear the d****** hat!" It frankly reminded me of the Michael Caine spoof, where Dr Watson is the actual crime solver.

[Boswell]

Yes exactly !!

My very thoughts

I sincerely hope they do have something insidious & deceptive going on there, because i cannot believe they would allow such errors/mismatches, and such a number of them in this compact trailer.

[Inge l-w]

Well, you need to remember that the same person who made Sherlock give a grammar lesson to the butcher in The Great Game is the one who wrote TEH, which has two egregious grammatical errors in the explanation Sherlock gives Anderson about how he survived the fall! :D

[Boswell]

Hmm I don't recall that...I'll have to rewatch TEH now, it isn't exactly my favourite episode and the reunion sequence is the only thing I really remember about it.

 

But if these are genuine errors then I am seriously disappointed. It would show they haven't learned from the mixed reactions to Series 3, and prove my apprehensions that the sincere dedication and earnestness that underpinned Series 1 & 2 have been eroded by the resulting success.

 

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

It is possible that any crazy grammar errors are not necessarily the writer's fault as the actors sometime ad lib causing the said errors and no one catches it later in the editing. [see TBB script (found at Sherlockology) compared to Ariane DeVere's transcript. There are so many differences even if the script isn't the final edition.]