SPOILERS! Series 4 Setlock

[clavery111]

 

Amanda tweeted "Last day S 4"

[Alex the Dabbler]

Yes, now we only have another 5+ months to wait to see the results!

[sfmpco]

But is that her last day or the last day of the whole shoot?  Because it seems they are wrapping a little earlier than expected.  I thought they weren't supposed to be done until the end of the month.

 

[sfmpco]

Yesterday's clapperboard:

 

https://twitter.com/suevertue/status/755827232430497792

[clavery111]

OMG!!!  Is is a bluff?  or a double bluff?  WTF???

 

[Inge l-w]

Frankly, my dear (Clavery), I don't give a d#%*, as long as Mary Dear is gone by the end of the series, to misquote a famous ending line!

[T.o.b.y]

OMG!!!  Is is a bluff?  or a double bluff?  WTF???

 

 

I think it's just a fun allusion to series 3. That scene in The Sign of Three.

 

What does anybody want to be me Mary doesn't die? Certainly not next season and probably never on this show? I think they like her far too well. They can't even properly kill the villains off.

 

 

[Arcadia]

I won't take that bet! I don't particularly want her to die. Oh wait ... now that I've said that, they probably will kill her off. Maybe I should take you up on that bet after all! :d

[Carol the Dabbler]

Didn't we have a thread somewhere about "actual" deaths in various episodes?  OK, here it is, with the synopsis here.

 

The only continuing characters they've killed so far have been villains: Moriarty and Magnussen.  Not that that proves anything about future episodes....

[clavery111]

Didn't we have a thread somewhere about "actual" deaths in various episodes?  OK, here it is, with the synopsis here.

 

The only continuing characters they've killed so far have been villains: Moriarty and Magnussen.  Not that that proves anything about future episodes....

 

ooh ooh... we've got a dead taxi driver in SIP and by John's hand too!

Dead mad scientist at Baskerville....

dead Black Lotus henchmen and dead CIA agents lying about....

 

The bodies are piling up!

[Pamela]

 

Didn't we have a thread somewhere about "actual" deaths in various episodes?  OK, here it is, with the synopsis here.

 

The only continuing characters they've killed so far have been villains: Moriarty and Magnussen.  Not that that proves anything about future episodes....

 

ooh ooh... we've got a dead taxi driver in SIP and by John's hand too!

Dead mad scientist at Baskerville....

dead Black Lotus henchmen and dead CIA agents lying about....

 

The bodies are piling up!

 

But they were bad guys!

 

In a Golden Girls episode once, neighbor cop Barbara told Rose "It's okay to lie to bad guys." So now I'm sayin' it's okay to kill bad guys! Well, on Sherlock anyway.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Actually, most of the deaths so far have been apparently-nice people (e.g., the old blind lady and the other people in her apartment building).  It's just that none of them were continuing characters (like Moriarty and Magnussen).

[clavery111]

Actually, most of the deaths so far have been apparently-nice people (e.g., the old blind lady and the other people in her apartment building).  It's just that none of them were continuing characters (like Moriarty and Magnussen).

 

 

Yes, those other bad guys that are dead are/were not continuing characters.  However, Moriarity and Magnussen ARE the only continuing bad characters so far.... two = sum total continuing bad guys.

 

(which is why it's going to be Moriarity's twin coming out of that helicopter! A new continuing bad character but one that's been lurking behind Mor #1 all along)

(unless Mary does indeed turn out to be bad... which is why I labelled her photo "bluff ... or double bluff" cuz  I  just don't know what to believe anymore!!! ACK!)

[Shadow Dweller]

The possible horrible thing I can think that might come after Sherlock's public execution of CAM is the horrible repercussions the act would bring to Mycroft's reputation and by extension his standing between his peers. He clearly cannot rein his loose cannon of a brother, this can be expanded to doubt his own ability to function in the matters of the state and I don't mean in the emotional way.

 

I really hope that Sherlock did that because of his naivete about how things in the political circle works instead of him choosing John by sacrificing Mycroft.

[Inge l-w]

Hey! I don't want her t die, although it's ACD canon in the Empty House ( my own sad loss), I just want Mary Dear to get her just deserts and flee the country in fear of her life for her past misdeeds catching up with her. No way I would sacrifice Mycroft over Mary Dear. (And I have been using the appellation straight from an Alistair McLean novel, but nobody seems to have noticed!)

[Alex the Dabbler]

OMG!!!  Is is a bluff?  or a double bluff?  WTF???

 

 

Doesn't that look like a wedding ring?  I suspect that she and MF are actually married now.  The note toward the top in this picture also is interesting.  I wonder if MF wrote that.

 

 

[Arcadia]

The possible horrible thing I can think that might come after Sherlock's public execution of CAM is the horrible repercussions the act would bring to Mycroft's reputation and by extension his standing between his peers. He clearly cannot rein his loose cannon of a brother, this can be expanded to doubt his own ability to function in the matters of the state and I don't mean in the emotional way.

 

I really hope that Sherlock did that because of his naivete about how things in the political circle works instead of him choosing John by sacrificing Mycroft.

 

I rather like the idea, actually, that Mycroft suffers at least some of the consequences of Sherlock's actions, if only because I think it would result in some bonding between the Holmes brothers. I have a desire to see Sherlock ride to Mycroft's rescue, and Mycroft's dismay at realizing his little brother has proved himself the better man for once. :p

 

However, my strong suspicion is that the manner of CAM's death is not "public" knowledge, and those who do know are likely happy to see the man gone by whatever means necessary. So it could actually strengthen Mycroft's position among some people (Lady Smallwood, for example), knowing that he has a brother who's willing to operate outside the law. The "right" people, hopefully.

 

And just how many people know how powerful Mycroft really is, anyway?

[J.P.]

It look like Mary's engagement and wedding rings:

http://finalproblem.tumblr.com/post/147717977680/source-so-the-rings-are-the-wrong-way-round

[Alex the Dabbler]

It look like Mary's engagement and wedding rings:

http://finalproblem.tumblr.com/post/147717977680/source-so-the-rings-are-the-wrong-way-round

 

Yes, it does.

[clavery111]

It'll be interesting to see how Moftiss decides to handle the ah, uhm... legal dilemma of Sherlock committing cold-blooded murder in front of a host of folks.  It'll be an indication of how "realistic" vs "literature-ish" they are taking the show, IMHO.  Sherlock shot Magnussen in front of a dozen UK secret service types AND the 3 -4 Magnussen security dudes.  Not to mention Magnussen's office organization peeps who will begin to wonder where the hell the boss is come Monday morning and all the security cameras at Appledore and CCTV cameras and etc etc.  

 

I have the feeling that the line from "TAB" Sherlock:  "Why are you still here?  Shouldn't you be off getting me a pardon or something?"  IS the way Moftiss is going to handle this issue and it won't come up anymore in S4.  Which means they've swerved off into  superhero / literature realms w/ loss of any sense of  realism.   

 

No way would all those witnesses keep quiet about the murder in real life.   Just look at how many Delta force guys  told the tale of  killing Osama.....

[clavery111]

Hey! I don't want her t die, although it's ACD canon in the Empty House ( my own sad loss), I just want Mary Dear to get her just deserts and flee the country in fear of her life for her past misdeeds catching up with her. No way I would sacrifice Mycroft over Mary Dear. (And I have been using the appellation straight from an Alistair McLean novel, but nobody seems to have noticed!)

 

 

I do want her (and the baby) to die... since it is in ACD canon.  (sorry, there is no other way to realistically interpret the line..."Sorry  Watson for your great loss").  It is an excellent and compellingly sad and dramatic narrative!   Watson's sorrow and grieving will be assuaged by Sherlock and the friendship/adventure the two of them get into.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Sorry, can't read the note on my cellphone. But isn't that probably Mary's wedding ring?

[Inge l-w]

The note reads: Amanda Abbington, I love you, I do! If it is from Mr Freeman, he's more of a softie than his Dr Watson portrayal.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I see I missed half a page of posts earlier, so that one of my points had already been addressed -- sorry!

 

But as to the love note on AA's mirror, sorry, don't think it's MF's handwriting.  Here's a sample.

 

[Shadow Dweller]

 

 

The possible horrible thing I can think that might come after Sherlock's public execution of CAM is the horrible repercussions the act would bring to Mycroft's reputation and by extension his standing between his peers. He clearly cannot rein his loose cannon of a brother, this can be expanded to doubt his own ability to function in the matters of the state and I don't mean in the emotional way.

 

I really hope that Sherlock did that because of his naivete about how things in the political circle works instead of him choosing John by sacrificing Mycroft.

I rather like the idea, actually, that Mycroft suffers at least some of the consequences of Sherlock's actions, if only because I think it would result in some bonding between the Holmes brothers. I have a desire to see Sherlock ride to Mycroft's rescue, and Mycroft's dismay at realizing his little brother has proved himself the better man for once. :p

 

However, my strong suspicion is that the manner of CAM's death is not "public" knowledge, and those who do know are likely happy to see the man gone by whatever means necessary. So it could actually strengthen Mycroft's position among some people (Lady Smallwood, for example), knowing that he has a brother who's willing to operate outside the law. The "right" people, hopefully.

 

And just how many people know how powerful Mycroft really is, anyway?

I think that by this point Mycroft had suffered through the results of Sherlock's folly for years. If Mofftiss leans more to realism then there is chance that Mycroft finally realized that he must cut the apron string for real regardless of the consequences to baby brother who was a very late bloomer. Of course, that make it impossible for the fairytale-esque rescue.

 

Someone like CAM must have enemies but his sudden death will leave a void in the 'landscape' and some people would not be pleased at the chaos that surely will follow. Regardless of whether they were glad for CAM's death or not, there are people who will try to milk it as far as they can. What Sherlock might face in exile (Mofftiss never guaranteed that he will have even 24 hours before getting whisked for yet another torture session or whatever else those who plays in the destination of Sherlock's flight have in mind) is likely nothing compared with the political storm that Mycroft will face. The wind of political fortunes is fickle at best and allies only can do so much. Ultimately it is up to you to weather the incoming storms. Those who never see a powerful person face rapidly dismantlement of their influence then subjected to persecution, it is understandable if they were failed to comprehend the sheer magnitude of horror such person would face. Sherlock was naive to the end if he really meant that 'off to get me a pardon' bit. I can easily imagine him years ago saying, "Politics is boring." Well guess what, politics have its way to teach painful lesson to those who shuns it.