Episode 3.1, "The Empty Hearse"

[Van Buren Supernova]

Means Sherlock just realized that on the best, he has been operating only on partial 'truth' all these times and worst, he has been deluding himself by deliberately ignoring the emotional side of things.

That sounds like pretty much what a lot of people can relate to or at least trying to do..

[Van Buren Supernova]

Have we noticed this before?

 

 

 

During The Empty Hearse meeting, a headline about Magnussen below.

It helps screwing up the timeline even more I guess.

[J.P.]

Ummm... yes...

[Van Buren Supernova]

*Hides head inside bucket*

 

Alright! Apparently two plus year is enough for you guys to see everything! Okay, okay, dully noted.

Moffiss?? Hmmmmmm? Hear that?

 

I am very very skeptical about bomb-switch, did some half-a** research but don't find anything good. Will try again when I have more time to play.

Update: Ahhhhh... I can't help but go and play.

Found something about the switch. It's real thing. It's nerdy so I post it Here.

[J.P.]

I like her seeing things nobody sees. :D

 

http://finalproblem.tumblr.com/post/144108910975/sherlocks-barber-is-still-evil-or-at-least

[Arcadia]

Like it too, but not convinced. I think it's more likely that Sherlock under-estimated his adversary. Wouldn't be the first time..... or last time......

[Van Buren Supernova]

Is it a good contribution, not come across as shallow or drunk at all (I did have a lot of tea..) if I only come and say I like it just because I could see the barber scene again? Sherlock

[Arcadia]

Down, girl.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Sherlock's mention of "monkey glands" is a nod to the Conan Doyle story, "The Creeping Man" -- which in turn seems to have been suggested by the true story of Serge Voronoff, a surgeon of Russian extraction, who became famous for "his technique of grafting monkey testicle tissue on to the testicles of men for purportedly therapeutic purposes while working in France in the 1920s and 1930s."

 

And who says the internet isn't educational?  :P

[Van Buren Supernova]

(Can I kidnap this for Fun Fact thread?) :p

 

Internet is veryyyy educational, just have to be careful and do multiple and painful checking from various webs and it's encyclopedia heaven.

[sfmpco]

Have we noticed this before?

 

 

During The Empty Hearse meeting, a headline about Magnussen below.

It helps screwing up the timeline even more I guess.

 

Great catch!  It might be stretching it on the timeline, but Magnussen is already a player in TEH, although we don't know who he is.  

 

He's summoned to appear before a Parliamentary committee, but how long does that take to happen...?  And Even if it did happen relatively close to this time, for us to see it in HLV is just backstory.  Doesn't mean that he licked Lady Smallwood's face the same day.  It's twisted somehow a little bit but it could still work IF his summons happened months before the face licking - all the while during which he was still under investigation.

[J.P.]

I don't know. CAM is trying to put pressure on her. I assume to stop the investigation. If so, it cannot be long time after the hearing, probably only long enough to collect the letters. I wouldn't wait too long in his place.

[Arcadia]

I don't know. CAM is trying to put pressure on her. I assume to stop the investigation. If so, it cannot be long time after the hearing, probably only long enough to collect the letters. I wouldn't wait too long in his place.

Hmmm, maybe. But I always thought he was trying to "collect" her for future use, not to stop the investigation. Like Sherlock; he didn't have any immediate use for him, he just wanted a way to get at Mycroft ... in case Mycroft could come in handy someday.

 

Of all the people we've encountered in this show, I think CAM has been the most "psychopathic". I always think of him as someone who acquired power simply because he could, combined with a very large appetite for sadism. He didn't have any particular long-range plan, imo, other than to do as much harm as he could. Because he could.

 

Maybe this is Steven Moffat's idea of Sherlock Holmes vs. Pure Evil, and that's why he thinks the shooting of CAM is justified? Side of the angels, and all that. I still don't agree -- I still don't see how Sherlock has the moral authority to make the decision to take CAM's life -- but it does put an interesting slant on things. What else do you do with pure evil except try to eradicate it?

[Pseudonym]

I wonder why they didn't slip any Johnlock into the 'how he did it' theories? We have Sherlock/Molly and Sherlock/Moriarty, you think they would have slipped a bit of Sherlock/John in there since so many of the characters already believe them to be a couple. I know John was on the phone to him when he jumped, but they could have easily had them meeting elsewhere for an, ahem, farewell moment before he went. Knowing how Moftiss like messing with the audience makes it even more surprising that they didn't leap on the opportunity. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

I wonder why they didn't slip any Johnlock into the 'how he did it' theories? We have Sherlock/Molly and Sherlock/Moriarty, you think they would have slipped a bit of Sherlock/John in there since so many of the characters already believe them to be a couple. I know John was on the phone to him when he jumped, but they could have easily had them meeting elsewhere for an, ahem, farewell moment before he went. Knowing how Moftiss like messing with the audience makes it even more surprising that they didn't leap on the opportunity. 

 

Maybe they were afraid to fan those particular flames? 

[Pseudonym]

Don't they *like* provoking the audience though?

[Arcadia]

Provoking?

 

Mmmm ... that's  not how I read what they're doing at all. From every interview I've read, they're rather amazed by the whole Johnlock thing ... their original intent was to make fun of those who assumed Sherlock was gay, not actually portray him as gay. Their inspiration seems to have primarily been The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, in which Holmes pretends to be "with" Watson in order to avoid sleeping with a rather loathsome woman.

 

Having said that, they're definitely playing with the audience's expectations NOW ... witness the innuendo in TAB! But I agree with Carol, I don't think they particularly wanted to fan the flames in S3. Gatiss remarked during the TEH commentary that he thought it was time to retire the "Mrs. Hudson thinks they're gay" joke, for example.

 

But Johnlock has acquired a life of it's own, imo, so I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to have fun with it after all.

 

Oh, and I just remembered ... Gatiss also remarked that he wrote the Sherlock/Jim scene in because it was the most outlandish thing he could think of, only to discover that "Sheriarty" was an actual thing! So maybe they really do steer clear on fan theories as much as they claim they do. (Something I find a little difficult to believe.)

 

In any case, I don't think they particularly concern themselves with fan expectations, except to use them to tease and confuse us. :p

[Pseudonym]

I'm definitely glad about the Mrs Hudson thing, I found it really annoying when she was so surprised John was marrying a woman. I mean, I get the confusion in the beginning, but years down the road you think she would have cottoned on by now!

 

I don't think I believe they didn't know Sherlock/Moriarty was a thing, pretty much every pairing possible exists in fandom after all. The one that really freaks me out (and I've never read) is Sherlock/Mycroft 

[J.P.]

Well, Ms Hudson is the patron saint of Johnlockers.

And as immune to the reason as them...

[Van Buren Supernova]

Once Mrs.Hudson sets her mind, it's hard to change it.

 

Well, unless it's Sherlock who convinces her just like the case of Mr.Chaterjee. But Sherlock doesn't bother to deny this, why would he? People always talk regardless. People do little else.

[Pseudonym]

Provoking?

 

Their inspiration seems to have primarily been The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, in which Holmes pretends to be "with" Watson in order to avoid sleeping with a rather loathsome woman.

 

Having said that, they're definitely playing with the audience's expectations NOW ... witness the innuendo in TAB! 

 

Yea, the one who wants to use him to make super babies, lol. 

 

Is there that much innuendo in TAB? Apart from the awkward greenhouse conversation, which could be coming from a concerned friend, I can't remember that much? Admittedly it's been quite a while since I watched it though. 

[Arcadia]

Well, the only other one I can think of offhand is Watson saying "I thought I was losing you," and Holmes answering "You were the one who moved out." Actually, that's the only one I caught ... it was Ariane DeVere's transcript that alerted me to the possible implications of the greenhouse scene, and now I can't see it any other way! :d

 

 

[Van Buren Supernova]

But that is horrible, I didn't detect any enjoyment at all!

[Van Buren Supernova]

How do you guys think Sherlock revealed himself to the public when he came back?

 

Maybe he just casually hang around some famous landmark, waiting to be seen?

Or went to troll Old Bailey and solve cases right then and there, or ensure people being hanged?

 

But doesn't he like to be dramatic, a spectacle?

 

I'm waiting for rain, so decided to have some fun (=doing something useless)

 

Maybe this?

 

 

with a couple of remarks

 

 

and personal family messenge

 

 

some monumental outstanding sherlock's compliment

 

 

and of course heartwarming ones

[Van Buren Supernova]

In the Adventure of The Dying Detective, Sherlock convinces John he is dying and indicating that he has to deceive John to make him believable to the enemy.

 

So I think this is the source? That indeed Sherlock has to continue lying to John so that it's convincing? Haven't read others to know enough.