Episode 1.1, "A Study In Pink"

[jesskayding]

Oh my. Well don't spoil the ending of Casa Blanca or Breakfast at Tiffanys.

[Convict13]

I remember watching it the very first time.  I didn't know the story so I had no idea who was behind the deaths and why and I kind of like that I didn't know,  I think this genre works better if you don't know "who done it".  By the end when everything was put together I just thought how clever, it was there all the time and I didn't "observe".  I also like the "alternative" version, but the "official version" is superior to it, so the changes and the making it 90 minutes instead of 60 was a great idea.

 

In series one and two there are two episodes from each that stand out and I really struggled to choose which I liked,  Series 3 really only had the one stand out for me, HLV,  for me the weakest episode of the entire series is The Sign of Three,   I even like The Blind Banker better than that one.  

[Arcadia]

..........for me the weakest episode of the entire series is The Sign of Three,   I even like The Blind Banker better than that one.

OMG, heresy!!!!!! TSo3 threw me for a loop at first too, but after I watched it a few times I really grew to love it, it's one of my favorites now. It's so out there! I like TBB now better than I did at first, too. There's so many great little bits in it. I like that you can rewatch these shows so often and still find new things to enjoy.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Oh my. Well don't spoil the ending of Casa Blanca or Breakfast at Tiffanys.

 

 

Oddly enough, the ending is the only part of Casablanca that I have seen -- several times in fact, because they keep showing that scene on television.  And I have absolutely no idea how Breakfast at Tiffany's ends.  Hmm, cultural illiterate, that's me!

[sherlockandjohn]

Oh my. Well don't spoil the ending of Casa Blanca or Breakfast at Tiffanys.

 

You know, it's funny you should mention it (especially in this thread), because the ending of A Study in Pink often makes me think of a line from the ending of Casa Blanca

[Arcadia]

Which one's playing Sherlock in that scene, Bogey or Claude Rains?

[sherlockandjohn]

I remember watching it the very first time.  I didn't know the story so I had no idea who was behind the deaths and why and I kind of like that I didn't know,  I think this genre works better if you don't know "who done it".  By the end when everything was put together I just thought how clever, it was there all the time and I didn't "observe".  I also like the "alternative" version, but the "official version" is superior to it, so the changes and the making it 90 minutes instead of 60 was a great idea.

 

In series one and two there are two episodes from each that stand out and I really struggled to choose which I liked,  Series 3 really only had the one stand out for me, HLV,  for me the weakest episode of the entire series is The Sign of Three,   I even like The Blind Banker better than that one.  

 

I can understand that. From a certain perspective, I'd say the best/most intricate/exquisite episodes are (in order of appearance) A Study in Pink, The Great Game, A Scandal in Belgravia, The Reichenbach Fall, and His Last Vow. My brain tells me that those are the best ones. I am, however, in love with The Empty Hearse and The Sign of Three. Can't help it. Neither can I help that His Last Vow just doesn't sit entirely right with me, however stunning it is.

 

'Reichenbach' and 'Pink' are actually the only ones that highly appeal to me on both an emotional and an intellectual level. 'Game' is also close, but I suppose I'm more of an emotionally driven person, and 'Hearse' and 'Sign' have a strong emotional pull on me.

[sherlockandjohn]

Which one's playing Sherlock in that scene, Bogey or Claude Rains?

 

Going by certain events, I'd say Rains. Going by the coat, I'd say Bogart.

[Caya]

Oh my. Well don't spoil the ending of Casa Blanca or Breakfast at Tiffanys.

 

*gg* We had something like that happen on a gaming forum once. A game (think it was Bioshock) developer who hung out there implored those who'd finished the game not to spoil the ending (he was so proud of their storyline), and the thread started to fill up with messages like "Soylent Green is people" or "Bruce Willis's char was dead the whole time" .

 

In case any of this was a spoiler, I offer my sincere apologies .

[Carol the Dabbler]

If it's any consolation to those whom you have just spoilt, the former story is not that way in the book. 

[jesskayding]

 

 

I remember watching it the very first time. I didn't know the story so I had no idea who was behind the deaths and why and I kind of like that I didn't know, I think this genre works better if you don't know "who done it". By the end when everything was put together I just thought how clever, it was there all the time and I didn't "observe". I also like the "alternative" version, but the "official version" is superior to it, so the changes and the making it 90 minutes instead of 60 was a great idea.

 

In series one and two there are two episodes from each that stand out and I really struggled to choose which I liked, Series 3 really only had the one stand out for me, HLV, for me the weakest episode of the entire series is The Sign of Three, I even like The Blind Banker better than that one.

I can understand that. From a certain perspective, I'd say the best/most intricate/exquisite episodes are (in order of appearance) A Study in Pink, The Great Game, A Scandal in Belgravia, The Reichenbach Fall, and His Last Vow. My brain tells me that those are the best ones. I am, however, in love with The Empty Hearse and The Sign of Three. Can't help it. Neither can I help that His Last Vow just doesn't sit entirely right with me, however stunning it is.

 

'Reichenbach' and 'Pink' are actually the only ones that highly appeal to me on both an emotional and an intellectual level. 'Game' is also close, but I suppose I'm more of an emotionally driven person, and 'Hearse' and 'Sign' have a strong emotional pull on me.

 

Convict I agree 90 min Pink superior to 60 min Pink. The Wardrobe & location changes brilliant. Making the tone a bit darker brilliant. The script changes... "That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever done...... Laughter, need I say more, brilliant. Awesome!

 

SJ I like your ranking of things... I would just replace TRF w/ HLV. Also your emotional ones are the same for me, per tugs @ heart strings thru out. Although SIB had the xoxo Molly & Sherlocked scenes... Woooooo! Woooooooooooo!!!

[sherlockandjohn]

 

 

I remember watching it the very first time. I didn't know the story so I had no idea who was behind the deaths and why and I kind of like that I didn't know, I think this genre works better if you don't know "who done it". By the end when everything was put together I just thought how clever, it was there all the time and I didn't "observe". I also like the "alternative" version, but the "official version" is superior to it, so the changes and the making it 90 minutes instead of 60 was a great idea.

 

In series one and two there are two episodes from each that stand out and I really struggled to choose which I liked, Series 3 really only had the one stand out for me, HLV, for me the weakest episode of the entire series is The Sign of Three, I even like The Blind Banker better than that one.

I can understand that. From a certain perspective, I'd say the best/most intricate/exquisite episodes are (in order of appearance) A Study in Pink, The Great Game, A Scandal in Belgravia, The Reichenbach Fall, and His Last Vow. My brain tells me that those are the best ones. I am, however, in love with The Empty Hearse and The Sign of Three. Can't help it. Neither can I help that His Last Vow just doesn't sit entirely right with me, however stunning it is.

 

'Reichenbach' and 'Pink' are actually the only ones that highly appeal to me on both an emotional and an intellectual level. 'Game' is also close, but I suppose I'm more of an emotionally driven person, and 'Hearse' and 'Sign' have a strong emotional pull on me.

 

Convict I agree 90 min Pink superior to 60 min Pink. The Wardrobe & location changes brilliant. Making the tone a bit darker brilliant. The script changes... "That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever done...... Laughter, need I say more, brilliant. Awesome!

 

SJ I like your ranking of things... I would just replace TRF w/ HLV. Also your emotional ones are the same for me, per tugs @ heart strings thru out. Although SIB had the xoxo Molly & Sherlocked scenes... Woooooo! Woooooooooooo!!!

 

 

I know, I so love that scene where Sherlock is shocked and ashamed, and then apologises to Molly.

 

I completely get why so many love HLV the best. It is extraordinary, and I'm really glad it's part of the show now. At least, until further notice We'll see what happens at Christmas 2015.

 

 

[jesskayding]

Hay HLV won Emmy's over The Normal Heart?! In my opinion, that speaks volumes. I sometimes feel a little guilty about my levellevel of excitement over the Sherlock wins.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Normal Heart did win Best Movie, though, just as Fargo won  Best Miniseries.  So all were recognized.

 

And bear in mind that this was Sherlock's third go-round.  I had gotten so used to them being nominated but not winning anything that I was pretty resigned to that happening again.  The wins took me by complete surprise!

 

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

By some of the press the day after you're not the only one.

[jesskayding]

I remember watching it the very first time. I didn't know the story so I had no idea who was behind the deaths and why and I kind of like that I didn't know, I think this genre works better if you don't know "who done it". By the end when everything was put together I just thought how clever, it was there all the time and I didn't "observe". I also like the "alternative" version, but the "official version" is superior to it, so the changes and the making it 90 minutes instead of 60 was a great idea.

 

In series one and two there are two episodes from each that stand out and I really struggled to choose which I liked, Series 3 really only had the one stand out for me, HLV, for me the weakest episode of the entire series is The Sign of Three, I even like The Blind Banker better than that one.

 

Ok... Interesting... Study In Pink is definitely my favorite in series one & I love how it was tied into TGG. Now why did SO3 seem weak to you?

[Carol the Dabbler]

Alex and I are watching Leverage on DVD.  In the second episode (aired December 9, 2008) there's a scene where (hidden in case someone would like to see the show before knowing how it ends)

 

 

... a congressman and a government contractor have been caught with their hands in the figurative cookie jar by a gaggle of reporters.  Just as the congressman starts putting a heroic spin on the situation, the reporters' cell phones all start ringing.  I called out "Wrong!" -- but what they actually see is a video of the two men in a private conversation that implicates the hell out of them.

 

 

It still reminds me of the press conference in "Study," though, and it was filmed at least a year or two before it.  Once cell phones were invented, that sort of scene may have been inevitable.

 

[sittything]

I'm rewatching ASIP right now, and I remember the first time I saw it I was soooo convinced the texts at the press conference were from the killer.

 

ETA:  Well, until Lestrade got that text that ended with SH  

[Carol the Dabbler]

I'm rewatching ASIP right now, and I remember the first time I saw it I was soooo convinced the texts at the press conference were from the killer.

 

ETA:  Well, until Lestrade got that text that ended with SH  

 

Hey, I don't think I ever thought of that -- but the killer would know for sure, wouldn't he?  So we had at least two reasons to wonder whether Sherlock was the killer (the messages plus the pink suitcase).  Maybe this sort of thing is what gave Sally the idea in the first place.

[sittything]

It also has always broken my heart when John gets ditched by Sherlock at the crime scene. 

 

 

[Tunguska]

A study in pink - I fell in love with it so quickly. I think right around the time the characters first started to realise they liked each other, as well.

 

For John, it's Sherlock deducing him in the taxi - I feel that's the pivotal moment where John realises what kind of mind he's dealing with, in a good way, loving (almost) every bit of it. He 'falls in love' (not intended in a slash way here ) with the mind before he realizes he likes the person. And I think we, the audience, are taken along for the ride in exactly the same way.

And then the ridiculous chase scene and giggles in the hallway afterward - To me, this is where John realises, along with the audience, that Sherlock's also interesting, charming, and maybe even nice as a person, not just as a brain. I feel this is where their click is very clear and where John's loyalty is completely solidified.

 

For Sherlock, I think it's a bit reversed. He likes John as a person before he likes John as a clever, quick man - making comments about his idiocy, in fact. But I think he likes John the moment he is not put off by Sherlock's rude deductions but admires them. And I fell in love with him for that as well; confident enough not to be offended, but just admiring the brilliancy without judging too much. It is only when he realises how John saved his life, much later, that Sherlock is struck by what a great man John can be and how his quick thinking may save his life on more than one occasion. And I think this was such an important scene for the audience as well because it steers away from a Dr. Watson who contributes little more than obedience and open-mouthed admiration: this Dr. Watson deals with stuff, takes initiatives, saves lives, and is not to be messed with.

 

The only thing I disliked about this episode was how late Sherlock clued in on the taxi driver plot. Like many of you, I figured it out the moment the taxi pulled up in front of the restaurant, and Sherlock seemed a bit dim witted from that moment on

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

He got it way faster in the Unaired Pilot. But then they only a Sixty minute window to play with. In "A Study in Pink" they had to fill in 90 minutes worth of time and not every one in the audience was going to get it but that is also TV. But at least it's not Columbo where they gave you the murder right off the bat then had the oh so clever detective work it out backwards.

[T.o.b.y]

I think one of the things I like the most about A Study in Pink is Sherlock's decision to get in the cab and find out more about the murderer, even if that means putting his own life in danger, instead of calling the police and have him arrested to prevent further harm. "What kind of result do you care about" - and Sherlock gets in the car. It's such a bad decision in every way. You don't expect a hero to do that, do you. But Sherlock does. Because he's not a hero, he's a high-functioning sociopath (or so he thinks), and being clever and playing The Game is more important to him at that early stage of his career than saving lives.

 

The Sherlock we met in A Study in Pink could have developed in so many directions. He could have become very like Moriarty. Or he could have been dead by the end of the day because he took the wrong pill. We'll never know. Because the other thing I love about this episode happens: John Watson just pulls his gun and demonstrates, without further ado, what result he cares about. "Don't save the case, save the life". It's established as early as the first episode.

[Tunguska]

I completely agree with you, T.O.N.Y., and I wonder how Sherlock would have reacted if he had had this case now (in season 3 I mean) instead of at the very beginning - would he have reacted differently?

[Arcadia]

Mmm, good question. He has rather more to live for now, doesn't he? But still, could he resist a challenge like that...?