Episode 1.1, "A Study In Pink"

[J.P.]

I think the forum started 2012. Look at the member list and find the oldest ones.

 

 

Sherlock Holmes is actually a courteous and friendly young man.

He hugged and kissed Mrs.Hudson! And said 'please' to John.

 

Exactly my thought. Re-watching SIP I was amazed how nice Sherlock treats people when he doesn't feel competetive towards them. Angelo seems to love him too. Where this bad impression actually comes from? :P

 

 

- Can anyone kindly explain why it's impossible to sustain smoking habit in London? 

I figure it must be an expensive habit, or is it too very restricted?

 

- Same question going for not owning a car. (But John managed to own a car in HLV?)

I spent years living in a very expensive city and found it easier, even more economical than public transport, to actually ride a bike. 

With all the taxis that he takes, why doesn't Sherlock owns a bike instead? And he looks very bad-ass with that in TEH. Also, imagine how much expenses he saves by taking all those shortcuts he knows!

 

I suppose it is a matter of restrictions. I doubt patches are cheaper than cigs.

 

I was living in a bigger town for two years and I swear - public transport is much more efficient. The same for Vienna I was visiting several times. Driving is hell in such places.

 

Do you mean motor-bikes?They are fine, but I doubt driving one is fun in the typical London weather. And they are not that safe if you happen to have an unplanned encounter with a car.

 

The car in HLV is part of John becoming a family man and a father. They live somewhere in a suburb where cars makes more sense. But he's still commuting to work as you can see in TEH or rides a bike.

[Arcadia]

But my favorite scene is the two of them cracking up in the hallway after the chase.

Me too. I thought that was very astute of Moftiss, to recognize the connections people form from laughing together.

 

 

 

Sherlock Holmes is actually a courteous and friendly young man.

He hugged and kissed Mrs.Hudson! And said 'please' to John.

Exactly my thought. Re-watching SIP I was amazed how nice Sherlock treats people when he doesn't feel competetive towards them. Angelo seems to love him too. Where this bad impression actually comes from? :P

 

That was always a puzzle to me as well; even in the book he's friendly and outgoing when we first meet him. Odd, but friendly. He's pretty cold in deduction mode, though, I'm guessing that's where it comes from. (?)

 

With all the taxis that he takes, why doesn't Sherlock owns a bike instead?

I believe that's meant to be a nod to "canon" -- they were always taking cabs in the books.

 

- Looking from the amount of responses, does this forum exist after series 1?

JP and Sitty are right, this forum started in February 2012, shortly after Season 2 aired. But I suspect Sitty's also right in that the number of posts in the HLV thread has more to do with how controversial HLV is than anything else.

[Van Buren Supernova]

I think the forum started 2012. Look at the member list and find the oldest ones.

 

 

Sherlock Holmes is actually a courteous and friendly young man.

He hugged and kissed Mrs.Hudson! And said 'please' to John.

 

Exactly my thought. Re-watching SIP I was amazed how nice Sherlock treats people when he doesn't feel competetive towards them. Angelo seems to love him too. Where this bad impression actually comes from? :P

 

 

- Can anyone kindly explain why it's impossible to sustain smoking habit in London? 

I figure it must be an expensive habit, or is it too very restricted?

 

- Same question going for not owning a car. (But John managed to own a car in HLV?)

I spent years living in a very expensive city and found it easier, even more economical than public transport, to actually ride a bike. 

With all the taxis that he takes, why doesn't Sherlock owns a bike instead? And he looks very bad-ass with that in TEH. Also, imagine how much expenses he saves by taking all those shortcuts he knows!

 

I suppose it is a matter of restrictions. I doubt patches are cheaper than cigs.

 

I was living in a bigger town for two years and I swear - public transport is much more efficient. The same for Vienna I was visiting several times. Driving is hell in such places.

 

Do you mean motor-bikes?They are fine, but I doubt driving one is fun in the typical London weather. And they are not that safe if you happen to have an unplanned encounter with a car.

 

The car in HLV is part of John becoming a family man and a father. They live somewhere in a suburb where cars makes more sense. But he's still commuting to work as you can see in TEH or rides a bike.

 

 Yes I meant motorbike. It's much easier to go around, get away from traffic jam and parking problem.

Ah, but good reason with London weather, it's never fun to suit up and riding through rain.

 

Suburb! That makes sense, so I guess every developed city has the similar living options.

 

 

[Van Buren Supernova]

 

But my favorite scene is the two of them cracking up in the hallway after the chase.

Me too. I thought that was very astute of Moftiss, to recognize the connections people form from laughing together. :P

 

Mine too.

This and the one in Buckingham Palace.

Too bad the last one we have is in the train of TEH (?) which is questionable or when they were drunk. Ah, good times. Hope they have more in Season 4.

[Van Buren Supernova]

I really like the difference between how Sherlock and John run.

Sherlock is frantic, jumpy and doesn't hesitate to stop a car with himself (East wind is coming!) while John is more careful and systematic.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

And John apologizes to the driver for Sherlock's self use as a car stopper.

[Van Buren Supernova]

And John apologizes to the driver for Sherlock's self use as a car stopper.

He is quite a effective car stopper I must say.  :D

[Arcadia]

Good at stopping motorcycles, too!

[Van Buren Supernova]

Good at stopping motorcycles, too!

Indeed!

 

Good thing he was smart enough to use his hand instead of his body.

He can be a clot sometimes.

[Experimental]

Indeed he rides a bike instead of a car! ;p 

[T.o.b.y]

So... I saw this again last night for the first time in what, six months? Maybe longer than that. It's definitely the best episode, if you define "good" as "good quality". The script is just really good, the case is cool, the deductions are wonderful. The cabbie is also the most compelling villain, if you ask me.

 

I love how in hindsight, the solution ("it was a cab driver") is really really obvious. There are so many hints in the beginning, but I am still sure that if I hadn't known, it would have gone right over my head again until Sherlock figured it out and then I'd have slapped my forehead in exasperation and yelled "stupid!" at myself.

 

One of my favorite bits is how Sherlock rattles off all that horrible stuff about John's past and his family perfectly matter-of-factly. He's so unemotional and unempathic about it that it took me at least three viewings to realize how awful it really all is - first hand war experience, gunshot wound, psychosomatic disorder / possible PTSD, unfit for work and hardly anything to return to in England. Alcoholic sister he doesn't get along with and apparently not close to any other family member, either. It's a mess! But Sherlock doesn't see it that way. He deduces the facts, but he doesn't reach the same conclusion every one else would, namely "poor sod". If there's any emotional impact for him, it is his childish pride in how fast he found it out. Then, he looks at John and he doesn't see "human wreck with baggage" but "potentially useful individual" and sets about putting him back in working order. I really don't think there's a scrap of altruism or compassion in all this. Sherlock just seems to be fed up with living and working on his own, he "needs an audience", and John has the necessary skillset plus he's accustomed to violence and strange sights, his nerves are strong and he doesn't have any other attachments that could get in the way. Perfect!

 

It's funny, in a way, but also oddly touching. In later episodes, we see John shake his head over how Sherlock lacks the usual view on human beings, how he's unfeeling and has no clue what "can" and "can't" be said, but actually, if Sherlock wasn't his sociopathic self, John would never have gotten into the position to complain about anything he says or does.

 

John's attraction to danger is pretty well established this early on. It's not just the scene with Mycroft, but also "want to see some more?" / "god, yes", and "I said dangerous, and here you are".

 

What else? Oh, yes, what really struck me this time is how Sherlock blatantly lies to John when he says he was just "biding his time" because he "knew" John would show up. That's such BS, because just a minute earlier, Sherlock's draw dropped as he was deducing the shooter to Lestrade and suddenly realized who it was.

 

The ending is lovely. I wish the series as a whole will end like that too.

[sittything]

I should have taken notes last night while watching ASIP, because now I'm struggling to remember all the little things I thought while watching...

 

I will say there are two things about Sherlock that make me very uncomfortable about him/make me cringe in ASIP.  The first is when he calls out Anderson and Sally at the crime scene and comments on Sally's knees.  It's so needlessly cruel and unnecessary, especially the knees comment, and I hate that he does it.  Also, when he forces the answer out of the dying cabby... but I think we've discussed that here before.

 

I will say, I may be in the minority with this, but I am not a fan of the cabbie's character at all.  Not even a little bit.  And it's not that he's that just that wonderfully villainous that I hate him (like Magnussen).  I find him annoying and his insistence that's he's a proper genius too makes me really uncomfortable, in a second-hand awkwardness sort of way.  Like how are you going to sit there, in front of Sherlock-frickin' Holmes, and play like you're a proper genius too?!?!   I dunno, and maybe it's just his assertion that he's a proper genius too and his general complaining about "Why can't people just think?", but I normally feel when one has to talk up their genius that much that they're probably not as bright as they'd like to believe they are.  He doesn't strike me as a genius, certainly not at Sherlock's level.  He's obviously bright, if not a genius, but he's also just obnoxious.  Honestly, the only other villain that annoys me so much in this show is that General Shan lady in TBB.  

 

Molly is just adorable in this episode.  I never cease to smile, and cringe, at her little "Okay"s.

 

Mycroft Holmes!  Glad to see him back after his absence in the pilot.  I'm so glad they redid the pilot and included him, even if he doesn't have much of a role in canon.  I love the character that Gatiss has crafted here (I'm assuming this Mycroft is little to nothing like his canon character giving the minimal role I understand he has in canon), and I love the snarking back and forth between Mycroft and Sherlock.  I could probably watch a whole episode of just that.  And I LOVE the scene between John and Mycroft....   Mycroft about Sherlock:  "He loves to be dramatic."  John:  "Well, thank God you're above all that."   The dramatic Holmes boys.  

 

 

 

 

[Van Buren Supernova]

I haven't rewatched it in full, but I guess it counts, I watched it multiple times just 2-3 weeks ago and actually posted my thoughts still in this page but have something more to add..

 

- Noticed the missing pool of blood under the cabbie on last THE NAME scene. Didn't catch it at all for a loooooong time. 

 

- A lot of effort to enrich John's character that makes this version of John Watson much more in depth than other adaptations.

He has real emphathy and sentiment, his sadness was really visible when he saw Jennifer Wilson's body, and when Lestrade talking about her unborn baby.

His wasted and abandoned feeling when ignored and left in the crime scene, yet he really stood for Sherlock in front of evil weirdo stranger who twirled umbrella and threatened him.

(Mycroft love. Nice SIP and HLV connection here. John didn't want to imagine Holmes's brother Christmas dinner in SIP. God no. And actually found out in HLV that it consisted of Sherlock drugging everyone include John's pregnant wife and shot someone in the face while yelling 'Merry Christmas!' Not to his and my wildest imagination).

 

His continuation of amazement (really able to feel from his POV) that this funny-crazy-rigid-stranger is actually capable of having something recretional :lol:.

And really loveeee it when Sherlock believed there was enough connection to just communicated through eye gaze and John actually understood.

 

- like Sherlock stopped and changed his attitude during the scene 'what would you do at the very last moment before you die? Use your imagination!' and John answered,"I don't have to."

There was a moment of realization and appreciation from Sherlock that John was saying the truth and this guys had actually went through a lot of things.

 

- The whole sociopath scene.

First, Anderson talked about psychopath.

Of course, came Sherlock's psychopath and sociopath famous classic rebuttal.

Then when Sherlock complained about Jennifer Wilson thinking of her unborn daughter a moment before her death after 14 years didn't make sense, there was a very nice moment of Lestrade changing look with John, and Anderson's comment of 'Sociopath, now I see it.'

Precious little moment that I didn't look closely during first few watches.

 

I think it really defines Sherlock's character well.

Have to admit when Sherlock questioned why would Jennifer Wilson did that on her last moment, my mind was 90% with Sherlock 'yes it doesn't really make sense, why indeed' then recoiled in embarassment when the other characters responded. (Oh I guess that should be the 'right way' of thinking).

 

But then, to my and his defense, and all the inputs in Sherlock's Heart thread, his way and detachment of human feeling is one of his strongest suits for consulting detective. Rachel was not written for sentimental reason, but a last effort by a smart woman to communicate something important to get her killer. John, Lestrade and Anderson would not have come to that conclution and would stop at sentiment.

 

- as mentioned before, THE NAME is one of my favorite moments that defined 'my' Sherlock. This might not be other's moment, or even despised by some. However, again, this is a character who cares more about result and has very efficient way to achieve it.

 

Had not seen, remembered or impressed much by other Sherlock Holmes adaptation (I actually thought he was some boring un-atlethic with bad fashion style detective).

 

 

But in SIP,

between riding crop, didn't realise what 'coffee' means, his cure for psychosomatic, sociopath moment, The Gun, and THE NAME (and the blanket of course!) he became the most fascinating character that I really really like, strangely related and attached to.

 

And, he saved John Watson life.

[Van Buren Supernova]

Gosh.. I typed my post for almost an hour because by the time I started your post hadn't appeared and our posts are almost one hour apart..

 

I will say there are two things about Sherlock that make me very uncomfortable about him/make me cringe in ASIP.  The first is when he calls out Anderson and Sally at the crime scene and comments on Sally's knees.  It's so needlessly cruel and unnecessary, especially the knees comment, and I hate that he does it.  Also, when he forces the answer out of the dying cabby... but I think we've discussed that here before.

I actually like Sherlock's comments here a lot, because imo Sally was really mean to him by calling him freak and Anderson was very unpleasant.

For the dying cabbie, I actually like it a lot..ops..

 

I will say, I may be in the minority with this, but I am not a fan of the cabbie's character at all.  Not even a little bit.  And it's not that he's that just that wonderfully villainous that I hate him (like Magnussen).  I find him annoying and his insistence that's he's a proper genius too makes me really uncomfortable, in a second-hand awkwardness sort of way.  Like how are you going to sit there, in front of Sherlock-frickin' Holmes, and play like you're a proper genius too?!?!   I dunno, and maybe it's just his assertion that he's a proper genius too and his general complaining about "Why can't people just think?", but I normally feel when one has to talk up their genius that much that they're probably not as bright as they'd like to believe they are.  He doesn't strike me as a genius, certainly not at Sherlock's level.  He's obviously bright, if not a genius, but he's also just obnoxious.  Honestly, the only other villain that annoys me so much in this show is that General Shan lady in TBB.

No. Not in minority. I feel the same. Wondering about the genius part as well. What is so 'proper genius' about him? And don't gwt me started on General Shan.

 

 

Mycroft Holmes!  Glad to see him back after his absence in the pilot.  I'm so glad they redid the pilot and included him, even if he doesn't have much of a role in canon.  I love the character that Gatiss has crafted here (I'm assuming this Mycroft is little to nothing like his canon character giving the minimal role I understand he has in canon), and I love the snarking back and forth between Mycroft and Sherlock.  I could probably watch a whole episode of just that.  And I LOVE the scene between John and Mycroft....   Mycroft about Sherlock:  "He loves to be dramatic."  John:  "Well, thank God you're above all that."   The dramatic Holmes boys.  

Oh yes. Forget about this. :lol: How John always mutters under his breath about the lack of Holmes brother's self consciousness. :lol:

[sittything]

 

I will say there are two things about Sherlock that make me very uncomfortable about him/make me cringe in ASIP.  The first is when he calls out Anderson and Sally at the crime scene and comments on Sally's knees.  It's so needlessly cruel and unnecessary, especially the knees comment, and I hate that he does it.  Also, when he forces the answer out of the dying cabby... but I think we've discussed that here before.

I actually like Sherlock's comments here a lot, because imo Sally was really mean to him by calling him freak and Anderson was very unpleasant.

For the dying cabbie, I actually like it a lot..ops..

 

 

I dunno, maybe I'm a bit hypersensitive on Sally's part because she's a woman, but the knees thing really rubs me the wrong way.   Like to me that's just sooo beyond her always calling him "freak" or Anderson being just generally rude and defensive (rightfully so based on what we saw in the pilot).   Off topic, but can I just say, though, that Sally got a wonderful makeover from the pilot.  Sooo much better.  She's really beautiful.

 

What I do like about both of those moments, though, is that I don't think we would ever see those moments in series 3.  Well maybe the getting the name from the cabbie, but I can't envision series 3 Sherlock making the knees comment.  Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I look at it as part of the progression of being a good man to becoming a great man.

 

Speaking of that, I love Lestrade's quote about him being a good man and hopefully one day he'll be a great man.

 

Also, when Donovan tells Watson that Sherlock gets off on the cases and one they'll all be standing around a body that Sherlock put there... it definitely left a doubt in my mind the first time I watched it, like will we????

[Boton]

 

One of my favorite bits is how Sherlock rattles off all that horrible stuff about John's past and his family perfectly matter-of-factly. He's so unemotional and unempathic about it that it took me at least three viewings to realize how awful it really all is - first hand war experience, gunshot wound, psychosomatic disorder / possible PTSD, unfit for work and hardly anything to return to in England. Alcoholic sister he doesn't get along with and apparently not close to any other family member, either. It's a mess! But Sherlock doesn't see it that way. He deduces the facts, but he doesn't reach the same conclusion every one else would, namely "poor sod". If there's any emotional impact for him, it is his childish pride in how fast he found it out. Then, he looks at John and he doesn't see "human wreck with baggage" but "potentially useful individual" and sets about putting him back in working order. I really don't think there's a scrap of altruism or compassion in all this. Sherlock just seems to be fed up with living and working on his own, he "needs an audience", and John has the necessary skillset plus he's accustomed to violence and strange sights, his nerves are strong and he doesn't have any other attachments that could get in the way. Perfect!

 

 

 

This is a really good point.  Both of them seem to look at the other and not see "broken, disfunctional person" but "someone I could get along with."  This is the only incarnation of Sherlock Holmes I've seen where you get to see that the basis of their friendship is how well they complete each other, and that each of them has a psychological or emotional need that the other one fills.  This whole episode is really a tribute to the formation of the Holmes/Watson friendship, with a bit of a case thrown in there.  

 

 

 

I will say there are two things about Sherlock that make me very uncomfortable about him/make me cringe in ASIP.  The first is when he calls out Anderson and Sally at the crime scene and comments on Sally's knees.  It's so needlessly cruel and unnecessary, especially the knees comment, and I hate that he does it.  Also, when he forces the answer out of the dying cabby... but I think we've discussed that here before.

 

 

 

I understand your point about Donovan, but I'm afraid I always cackle pretty happily when he makes the "knees" comment.  I mean, just from what we know about Donovan from this episode, she's a woman who will call Sherlock "Freak" even in a professional setting, one that challenges his right to be there (even when she knows perfectly well that Lestrade has invited him), and who tells his new flatmate that she suspects he has it in him to be a murderer one day.  For me, she more than deserves getting called out on her adulterous behavior.

 

I love this episode.  And I love that comment that was in the Sherlock Chronicles book (I think) that was the parenthetical remark in the script:  "If it begins anywhere, it begins here:  the two best friends ever."  Indeed.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

 

 

I will say there are two things about Sherlock that make me very uncomfortable about him/make me cringe in ASIP.  The first is when he calls out Anderson and Sally at the crime scene and comments on Sally's knees.  It's so needlessly cruel and unnecessary, especially the knees comment, and I hate that he does it.  Also, when he forces the answer out of the dying cabby... but I think we've discussed that here before.

I actually like Sherlock's comments here a lot, because imo Sally was really mean to him by calling him freak and Anderson was very unpleasant.

For the dying cabbie, I actually like it a lot..ops..

 

 

I dunno, maybe I'm a bit hypersensitive on Sally's part because she's a woman, but the knees thing really rubs me the wrong way.   Like to me that's just sooo beyond her always calling him "freak" or Anderson being just generally rude and defensive (rightfully so based on what we saw in the pilot).   Off topic, but can I just say, though, that Sally got a wonderful makeover from the pilot.  Sooo much better.  She's really beautiful.

 

What I do like about both of those moments, though, is that I don't think we would ever see those moments in series 3.  Well maybe the getting the name from the cabbie, but I can't envision series 3 Sherlock making the knees comment.  Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I look at it as part of the progression of being a good man to becoming a great man.

 

Speaking of that, I love Lestrade's quote about him being a good man and hopefully one day he'll be a great man.

 

Also, when Donovan tells Watson that Sherlock gets off on the cases and one they'll all be standing around a body that Sherlock put there... it definitely left a doubt in my mind the first time I watched it, like will we????

 

 

What I do like about both of those moments, though, is that I don't think we would ever see those moments in series 3. Well maybe the getting the name from the cabbie, but I can't envision series 3 Sherlock making the knees comment. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I look at it as part of the progression of being a good man to becoming a great man.

 

Speaking of that, I love Lestrade's quote about him being a good man and hopefully one day he'll be a great man.

Technically Lestrade says he's a great man and one day if we're very, very lucky he might even be a good one. But either way it's still a growing process for our beloved Sherlock.

[sittything]

 

 

I will say there are two things about Sherlock that make me very uncomfortable about him/make me cringe in ASIP.  The first is when he calls out Anderson and Sally at the crime scene and comments on Sally's knees.  It's so needlessly cruel and unnecessary, especially the knees comment, and I hate that he does it.  Also, when he forces the answer out of the dying cabby... but I think we've discussed that here before.

I actually like Sherlock's comments here a lot, because imo Sally was really mean to him by calling him freak and Anderson was very unpleasant.

For the dying cabbie, I actually like it a lot..ops..

 

 

I dunno, maybe I'm a bit hypersensitive on Sally's part because she's a woman, but the knees thing really rubs me the wrong way.   Like to me that's just sooo beyond her always calling him "freak" or Anderson being just generally rude and defensive (rightfully so based on what we saw in the pilot).   Off topic, but can I just say, though, that Sally got a wonderful makeover from the pilot.  Sooo much better.  She's really beautiful.

 

What I do like about both of those moments, though, is that I don't think we would ever see those moments in series 3.  Well maybe the getting the name from the cabbie, but I can't envision series 3 Sherlock making the knees comment.  Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I look at it as part of the progression of being a good man to becoming a great man.

 

Speaking of that, I love Lestrade's quote about him being a good man and hopefully one day he'll be a great man.

 

Also, when Donovan tells Watson that Sherlock gets off on the cases and one they'll all be standing around a body that Sherlock put there... it definitely left a doubt in my mind the first time I watched it, like will we????

 

 

 

 

 

What I do like about both of those moments, though, is that I don't think we would ever see those moments in series 3. Well maybe the getting the name from the cabbie, but I can't envision series 3 Sherlock making the knees comment. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I look at it as part of the progression of being a good man to becoming a great man.

 

Speaking of that, I love Lestrade's quote about him being a good man and hopefully one day he'll be a great man.

 

 

Technically Lestrade says he's a great man and one day if we're very, very lucky he might even be a good one. But either way it's still a growing process for our beloved Sherlock.

 

lol.  Perhaps I need a 3rd coffee.

[Van Buren Supernova]

I dunno, maybe I'm a bit hypersensitive on Sally's part because she's a woman, but the knees thing really rubs me the wrong way.   Like to me that's just sooo beyond her always calling him "freak" or Anderson being just generally rude and defensive (rightfully so based on what we saw in the pilot).   Off topic, but can I just say, though, that Sally got a wonderful makeover from the pilot.  Sooo much better.  She's really beautiful.

Oh I thought they were different actresses?

I don't think you are hypersensitive, in fact, in the Unaired Pilot I understand

completely why Anderson and Sally were annoyed with Sherlock's appearance, ddifferently though, I also found their version were kinder and less hateful in UP.

Anyway, I do have weird sense of humour that I enjoyed Sherlock's insults there.

 

Also, when Donovan tells Watson that Sherlock gets off on the cases and one they'll all be standing around a body that Sherlock put there... it definitely left a doubt in my mind the first time I watched it, like will we????

For me, I believe they played with this a lot in the Reichenbach Fall. So many people jumped to believe that Sherlock did all the crimes himself, although the accusation was based on him not being a real genius instead of real psychopath.

 

Some people would argue shooting Magnussen is the moment, but I would defend that it's not at all.

 

I hope we will never see that, because that will be very very dark direction and it might be difficult to sympathize with that character. But we never know, I don't rule out the possibility that Motfiss are able to do many things.

 

Spoiler on Breaking Bad

Similar line of story that you suggested, when protag turns bad, there are actually as many people who continue their support and defence for the character although almost the other half lost their symphathy,but everyone continued to watch.

 

[sittything]

 

I dunno, maybe I'm a bit hypersensitive on Sally's part because she's a woman, but the knees thing really rubs me the wrong way.   Like to me that's just sooo beyond her always calling him "freak" or Anderson being just generally rude and defensive (rightfully so based on what we saw in the pilot).   Off topic, but can I just say, though, that Sally got a wonderful makeover from the pilot.  Sooo much better.  She's really beautiful.

Oh I thought they were different actresses?

I don't think you are hypersensitive, in fact, in the Unaired Pilot I understand

completely why Anderson and Sally were annoyed with Sherlock's appearance, ddifferently though, I also found their version were kinder and less hateful in UP.

Anyway, I do have weird sense of humour that I enjoyed Sherlock's insults there.

 

 

 

 

You know what, you're right.  Different actresses.  I didn't even remember that.  All I remember is that bright yellow jacket and bad skirt in the pilot.

[Inge l-w]

Dear fellow members,

Having re watched SiP, I have come to realise that I positively do not like Mr Moffat's scripts!

The fighting and battle scene right at the beginning is supposed to loop back into the "adrenaline junkie" of HLV?

Dr Watson's next actions are to take his tea in a RMC mug and when he pulls out his laptop, the gun he illegally retained from his army days is immediately evident.

When he goes to see his therapist, the bust on her desk is the exact same one with some weird mask on used in the end credits of TEH and HLV in Magnussen' s vaults, which may not be so insubstantial, after all!

When Sherlock overrides the Yard conference with his "wrong" message, it positively set my teeth on edge, because, as I have explained in the "What have we missed" thread, there are specific security overrides which can be used for both cellular telephony and TV channels. This opens up a whole can of worms, because he could only have got the override code by swiping it from Mycroft, so who is behind the "Miss me?" Scene at the very end of HLV? Is it his "get out of a deadly mission free" card?

The victims have been brought down to four, and this time, the actual beats of the original story are followed, but in reverse, as Anderson, not Sherlock, suggests the explanation of 'Rache'.

On their way to the murder scene, their positions in the taxi are reversed, although the deductions about the phone remain the same.

A sign of Mr Moffat's laziness is that in preference for keeping the lines about the phone being six months old, they changed Dr Watson's original iPhone for the newer Sony Ericsson device.

The director's brilliant idea of visual deductions makes its first appearance, thus permitting the viewer to have instant access to Sherlock's thought processes!

Upholstered chair first making its appearance next to the entrance to Mrs Hudson's flat, which does not explain why they had to be wedged next to each other at the beginning of the drunken sequence in SoT, as the chair is still there when she takes out the garbage. Methinks the creators protest too much about the whole Sherlock/John situation, with a perfectly serviceable piece of furniture available!

This is the first instance of seeing Dr Watson's love for unusual knitwear, as well as DS Donovan's perfectly suitable outfit at the scene of the crime.

A bit of London trivia: Northumberland Str. is near Trafalgar Sq., certainly not ten -minutes' walk from Baker Str. and definitely nowhere near Soho, which is shown in Sherlock's first glimpse into his mind palace, as the whole of Oxford Str. lies in between.

Really enjoyed the re-watch, especially his reaction to the mention of "a friend of yours" , which Dr Watson quickly switches to "enemy", upon which comes the prompt rejoinder :"Which one?", a subject touched upon much later in HoB.

Very much look forward to the Blind Banker next week.

[J.P.]

First the notices from yesterday plus some nitpicking.

 

1 It's Sherlock who establishes contact with Lestrade in ASIP, while Lestrade contacts Sherlock in UP

 

2 the body in the morgue lies belly up, in UP belly down.

 

3 When Sherlock sees the word scratched on the floor we see his first guess is actually "Rache (n.) revenge". Exactly like Anderson's. But the word Rache is not neutrum but feminine in German. (I suppose the (n.) means neutrum but feel free to correct me) Wonder if it's Sherlock's fault written into the script (there is always something) or - AGAIN - writers' vendetta against German language :P But I love how the writing is reversed when the camera shows Sherlock's face and how he discards the guess with a little head movement. Such little gems are fully missing in UP, also those creative cutting tricks.

 

4 Sherlock is really impressed by Pink Lady's cleverness.

 

5 As John says: "I don't have to (using my imagination)" something clicks with Sherlock, there is a kind of approval/insight he shows, as if he suddenly understood that John has a knowledge of things that are beyond his own experience - and that it can be useful.

 

6 The Cabbie showdown is muuuuuch better than in UP and watching BC in that (very statical actually) scene is a delight. The deduction about Cabbie dying was better in ASIP, showing John searching for Sherlock too. Technically the scene shows something that seems to be a characteristic trait of show's cinematography. In the dialogues the camera is physically standing behind the back of the person who is not speaking at the moment, and is visible as a blurred silhouette. I clearly remember the same in the roof and the restaurant scene. Sometimes it annoys me, though.

 

7 I think that Cabbie was chosen as not looking like a genius by purpose. But I really wonder about his connection to Moriarty. He could be as well Jim's puppet. How Moriarty/Cabbie could possibly know about Sherlock's addiction? Why Cabbie seems to enjoy playing with Sherlock? Moriarty is described as more than a man, I also wonder what was meant by it.

 

8 Don't mind THE NAME scene. Sherlock showing his dark side. I think I wrote it already: to slay dragons you have a bit of a dragon in you.

 

9 I also somehow don't mind Sherlock walking all over Donovan and Anderson - I'm too impressed by the deduction itself. Aside from this: didn't we all wanted to do something like this to people who are nasty to us? Don't we all dream to have such an ability?

 

10 The pills. In UP there are 3 pills in each bottle and the Cabbie takes one out. In ASIP, there is only one pill per bottle at the end, while the victims at the beginning of ASIP held bottles with 3 pills each.

 

11 Mycroft. I love him. The false joviality and kindness at the beginning of his appearance. And John not being impressed at all - at first. I actually wonder why the mentioning of the hand - and the deduction that he's missing the war has freaked him out that much. His body language is also a bit strange here, as if he had problems to keep his balance (and we know he has no problems while standing actually) Was it: "I can see from your left hand..." which sounds much like Sherlock? MF is fantastic here showing someone who learned to control his own reactions.

 

12 while both sets contain the same main elements, the ASIP 221B living room is more like the room from Sherlock Holmes Museum. In both cases I wonder how a young man like Sherlock would move into the new flat with all that clutter that would more likely belong to some old lady attached to every single piece. And - the scull is obviously not real.

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Having re watched SiP, I have come to realise that I positively do not like Mr Moffat's scripts!

The fighting and battle scene right at the beginning is supposed to loop back into the "adrenaline junkie" of HLV?

 

I assume so, and if that's one thing you don't like about Mr. Moffat's scripts, then I agree!  John is obviously somewhat inured to violence, so that he's capable of dealing with Sherlock's idea of fun, but I don't see how that proves he's addicted to violence or danger per se -- maybe he's just willing and able to put up with it in order to have something interesting / useful to do.

 

 

I've always questioned the logic of Sherlock deducing that the cabbie was dying, simply because his clothing was all more than three years old.  When he got to that part last night, I glanced at what I was wearing, and I doubt any of it is less than ten years old.  The cabbie is not a young fellow, so he's had a few decades to accumulate a wardrobe, plus he's by no means a wealthy man.  All of which makes that deduction sound to me like a young, financially secure man's snobbish blind spot.

 

I found a continuity error!  :D  John identifies this map on the MePhone website as showing "two two one Baker Street":

 

 

Note that the map shows #221 near Regent's Park, north of Marylebone Road, roughly where the Sherlock Holmes Museum has claimed that address (despite its neighbors having addresses nowhere near that number).

 

When John arrives at #221 in "Great Game," after seeing news of the explosion, we see him coming out of this side street (click on photo to enlarge):

 

 

That's a fake street sign that the crew puts up especially for the filming.  But note that the real York Street meets Baker a few blocks south of Marylebone Road.

 

At the time Conan Doyle wrote the original stories, there was no #221 (Baker Street ran only to #100), so the address was clearly fictitious.  The street has been extended since then, and various fans have, over the decades, attempted to place the "real" #221 according to various landmarks mentioned in the stories.  I believe that Moftiss intend for it to sit between York and Crawford Streets.  But they apparently neglected to mention that to the people in charge of computer images!

[Boton]

 

3 When Sherlock sees the word scratched on the floor we see his first guess is actually "Rache (n.) revenge". Exactly like Anderson's. But the word Rache is not neutrum but feminine in German. (I suppose the (n.) means neutrum but feel free to correct me) Wonder if it's Sherlock's fault written into the script (there is always something) or - AGAIN - writers' vendetta against German language :P

 

In most dictionaries I've seen, (n) would mean "noun."  So, I assumed that rache was the noun form of "revenge," not the verb form "to take revenge."  Of course, I know no German, so please tell me if I'm nuts here.

 

Oh, thank heavens for the change in wallpaper in SiP!  The flat looked like a bordello in UP.

 

 

 

 

I've always questioned the logic of Sherlock deducing that the cabbie was dying, simply because his clothing was all more than three years old.  When he got to that part last night, I glanced at what I was wearing, and I doubt any of it is less than ten years old.  The cabbie is not a young fellow, so he's had a few decades to accumulate a wardrobe, plus he's by no means a wealthy man.  All of which makes that deduction sound to me like a young, financially secure man's snobbish blind spot.

 

Please, someone go out right now and write a fan fic where Hope scoffs when Sherlock says that about the clothes and replies, "Please, son, I've got socks older than you."

[Carol the Dabbler]

:D

 

And yes, I've always interpreted that "n" to mean "noun."  It doesn't really matter how a German-language dictionary would list it, because Sherlock is English, so he's looking up the word in his mental German-to-English dictionary.