Molly Hooper

[Arcadia]

Yeah, I get that.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I think Sherlock's scared by girls; they might break, or something. :P

 

Or like they're members of some exotic species that he has no hope of understanding.  (I've known men who feel that way.  None of them were genius detectives -- but then you don't have to be a genius in order to be an idiot.)

[Arcadia]

An exotic and delicate species!

[sfmpco]

[Arcadia]

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[sfmpco]

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Love Sherlolly one-shots!

[T.o.b.y]

I wonder if it comes naturally to him, though, or if he has to make a conscious effort to act more "normal" with Molly. I'm inclined to think the fond but exasperated way he treats Mrs. Hudson is closer to his comfort level. Actually, the term I use to describe him around Molly is "careful." But his default tendency, imo, is to be careless ... and you have to develop a thick hide to put up with that for very long.

 

He's a little more "normal" around Mary, too, isn't he? I think Sherlock's scared by girls; they might break, or something. :P

 

Yes, he's still a bit like a teenager about the other sex. But at least he's progressed from the "ew, girls" stage to the "girls?!" stage.

 

I love how Sherlock is around Mrs Hudson. From the very beginning, she is the one person he hugs and kisses and treats with open affection. Actually, in spite of his appalling manners and sometimes downright rude and often condescending comments, Mrs Hudson is the first indicator that Sherlock does in fact have a heart.

 

(If I could be one of the women in Sherlock's life, guess who that would be... :P )

 

He does by about the middle of the second series begin to make an effort to be nice to Molly, and I think "careful" does describe that pretty well. I guess she opened his eyes to how much mere words can hurt a sensitive person. If so, Molly has achieved something I so wish happened more often in real life. I can't be the only one who has repeatedly thought "I have no hope to be loved back by this person, and no right either, but would it really be too much to ask to be acknowledged as a living, feeling creature and be treated with at least a minimum of respect?"

 

See, this is one of the reasons why I don't want Sherlock and Molly to end up as a couple. Because if he is mindful of and kind to her in spite of not finding her attractive and not wanting to get her into bed with him, then that is such a beautiful and rare and probably utterly unrealistic thing. I am so sick and tired of men measuring a woman's worth by their personal interest in her body, and it happens all the F***ing time. If television at least can manage to show an alternative to the way things usually go, without making it feel artificial and preachy, then please don't spoil it.

 

As for Mary, I don't think Sherlock is "normal" around her at all, not for his standards. The whole Mary and Sherlock relationship is very odd, if you ask me, and I still think it seems forced, but whether it's the characters forcing themselves or the writers forcing them on each other I have no idea.

 

 

[J.P.]

As I wrote before in the other thread my theory is Sherlock might sense Molly's feelings for him and is terryfying by that situation. He needs her, so he cannot just avoid her in his everyday life. And there is more - having a heart just don't fit into his self-perception, so even if he loved her (not necessarily in a sexual way) he couldn't admit it to himself. So he tries (most probably unconscious) push her away emotionally, and behaves like an idiot (like in the restaurant scene towards John) I'm speaking from my own experience here.

 

In the Christmas disaster scene he is already miffed by the whole fuss and people invading hie private space, and reacts like a little kid spoiling everyone's festive mood by telling them unconvenient facts. Then comes Molly, tells about "Sherlock complaining" (about him being left alone during the holiday), publicly exposing Sherlock's feelings, which makes him even more irritated. Then he sees that present... and - just maybe - he thinks she has an actual boyfriend and is plainly (and still not fully consciously) jealous. All accumulated frustration erupts in that awful deduction, and I bet he even doesn't know what he's doing at that moment... until he reads the note.

 

It is actually good that Molly manages to say something, which finally confronts Sherlock with effects of his action, and she does it in front of other people. Sherlock was half way on the run already, but then he finally makes an adult decision to face the consequences and apologises.

 

 

 

See, this is one of the reasons why I don't want Sherlock and Molly to end up as a couple. Because if he is mindful of and kind to her in spite of not finding her attractive and not wanting to get her into bed with him, then that is such a beautiful and rare and probably utterly unrealistic thing. I am so sick and tired of men measuring a woman's worth by their personal interest in her body, and it happens all the F***ing time. If television at least can manage to show an alternative to the way things usually go, without making it feel artificial and preachy, then please don't spoil it.

Amen to that.

 

 

As for Mary, I don't think Sherlock is "normal" around her at all, not for his standards. The whole Mary and Sherlock relationship is very odd, if you ask me, and I still think it seems forced, but whether it's the characters forcing themselves or the writers forcing them on each other I have no idea.

 

I think he sees Mary as a kind of older sister. She belongs to John, and also she accepts him as he is. He doesn't need to deal with her emotionally (just like with Mrs Hudson), on any level, she is just a friend, and he mirrors her own laid-back attitude towards him.

[Boton]

 

I think he sees Mary as a kind of older sister. She belongs to John, and also she accepts him as he is. He doesn't need to deal with her emotionally (just like with Mrs Hudson), on any level, she is just a friend, and he mirrors her own laid-back attitude towards him.

 

The genius of the way Mary is written and played is that she steps into sharing the "John" position in Sherlock's life in a way that happens with some couples.  Hard to articulate, but I've seen really good, solid married couples do this -- one of them has a best friend, and the other just takes that best friend in immediately because the best friend is part of the spouse's life.  Whatever else happens to come out about Mary, she did manage to navigate that relationship very well.

[sittything]

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If I fall down a hole of feels and YouTube videos, I blame you.

[J.P.]

Yes, what a difference to Jeanette: "Don’t make me compete with Sherlock Holmes." 

 

I have to say I liked Mary from the moment when she said "I like him". But there are some metas providing dark and quite negative picture of her, that make sense too. As usual.

[Arcadia]

As for Mary, I don't think Sherlock is "normal" around her at all, not for his standards. The whole Mary and Sherlock relationship is very odd, if you ask me, and I still think it seems forced, but whether it's the characters forcing themselves or the writers forcing them on each other I have no idea.

 

Oh, I don't mean normal by his standards. I mean societally normal, the same as he is around Molly. I have to admit it I don't find it forced at all, but I do think Sherlock IS minding his Ps and Qs a bit more than he used to. I put that down to his finally having learned a little something about how to treat friends. And also to the fact that the two friends in question are, eep, girls. I'm guessing he's thinking he's being a gentleman, like Mummy raised him to be.

 

 

For sittything and sfmpco (and anyone else who wants to read it!) Just found this author, all Sherlolly all the time but I think she captures the characters well. Cute, sweet and almost believable. https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11091809/1/So-quite-new-a-thing

If I fall down a hole of feels and YouTube videos, I blame you.

 

That's fine, wave at me as you tumble past. :P

[sfmpco]

I tumbled down that same rabbit hole.

[sittything]

 

That's fine, wave at me as you tumble past. :P

 

 

[Arcadia]

So that's why Sherlock fell! DARN those rabbits!!!!

[sittything]

Well, clearly it was for this...

 

[Arcadia]

No no no, THAT is why Molly agreed to help him..... :D

[sfmpco]

Feeling particularly sentimental towards Molly at the moment... excuse me while I experience some feels...

 

(okay, that didn't come out quite right!)

[sittything]

Molly has a video!

 

[sfmpco]

[sittything]

Molly, representing ordinary women-folk since since 2010.

[sittything]

The women of Sherlock...sorta.  No Mrs. Hudson or Janine...

 

[sittything]

People, I can't stop.  Send help.

 

 

[sittything]

It's bad when you find yourself ridiculous.  lol

[Carol the Dabbler]

Molly, representing ordinary women-folk since since 2010.

 

I assume that Ms. Brealey means "ordinary" in the sense of "not a psychopath"?