Subtext Interpretation... What Do You See?

[Van Buren Supernova]

 

I have seen Sherlock paired with just about everyone but his mother, Mr. Chatterjee, Donovan, Anderson, & Stamford

Wait..I notice you didn't mention his father..

And I'm alarmed to see Mr.Chaterjee, that means all other minor characters are also accounted for? And they are not mentioned in the exclusion list??

 

I know I should have kidnapped him for myself.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I only mentioned Mr. Chatterjee because he presumably shows up in 2 episodes (HOB & STOT).  I don't remember any other minor character doing that up to S3E3 (Janine was somewhat major for the 2 episodes she was in up to this point).  And I forgot not paired with Tom either.

[Inge l-w]

Although I heartily want my favourite detective of all times to remain his aloof, imperious self, Adlock and Mylock make perfect sense in the modern setting. She is The Woman, so you could say their relationship can be built based on ACD canon, and the second I already mentioned in the Tired Tropes thread, makes sense based on the seven-year difference between the brothers, which could drive a budding genius of sixteen or so to seek out an equally intelligent, if not more intelligent, sexual partner: i.e. Mycroft. As for taboos, both brothers would have laughed at them even in their original setting!

[Arcadia]

Based solely what I've seen and heard on the show itself, that would have been my assumption ... Sherlock is supposed to be holding a torch for Irene.
 
But I don't "ship" it, because I'm not overly fond of the idea. I can't see them being particularly good for each other, with their matching wills to dominate. But I suppose not everyone is seeking a "healthy" relationship, as long as it's a stimulating one. And I admit to being selfish on this count; I still cling to the (fading) hope that Sherlock will be a "good" man some day, and I think being with Irene would just make him worse.
 
I don't think I "ship" anyone, on this show or any other. (Sorry, shippers, I just find the whole concept rather silly. But to each his/her own. Peace.) I would like to see Molly get the man of her dreams, because she's Us and she deserves it. But unless they both change considerably, I can't picture a romance between her and Sherlock surviving for very long. One night, maybe. Then poof. Unless it was for a case. <_<

[J.P.]

Spontaneous thought - the only woman I see as a partner for Sherlock would be (don't kill me) Mary. Because they could be partners before being lovers. And she seems to me as the only woman capable of this.

[J.P.]

"The Queen" seems to be soooo not amused...

 

[Carol the Dabbler]

"The Queen" seems to be soooo not amused...

Isn't that just his dry sense of humor?

[J.P.]

Very dry. He took some flak already for a bit not good timing for such jokes.
It feels like he didn't think much about the answer - a knee-jerk reaction, that's why I think he might be a bit tired of this kind of messages.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Seems to me that it's the original tweeter who started the hyperbole.  Gatiss just played along.

[Bluebell]

 

I have seen Sherlock paired with just about everyone but his mother, Mr. Chatterjee, Donovan, Anderson, & Stamford

Wait..I notice you didn't mention his father..

And I'm alarmed to see Mr.Chaterjee, that means all other minor characters are also accounted for? And they are not mentioned in the exclusion list??

 

I know I should have kidnapped him for myself.

 

 

Therefore are the Sherlock/Reader - stories.... :D

 

Sometimes there are actually a couple of 'not too much Mary Sue'-ish (in any fandom...Mary Sues are, as I understand those, rather dull readers who get like saved by the 'hero' a lot and stuff...don't know if the others are 'Mary Sues' too, but I define those as the 'classic Mary Sue'. :P ).

I like the ones where the 'Original female/male Characters' or sometimes referred to as 'the reader', are chicks like Mary (Morstan, not Sue :lol: ) or Irene for example, like those who generally can take care of themselves, but kinda get 'involved' with one of the characters, for example through a case or a concident meeting, whatever people come up with what is not just written for a short sex encounter with the main character or something. The more creative in the plot, the more interesting, you know what I mean?

[Boton]

 

So there should be a Morilock out there I suppose?

I really am clueless. :P

 

It exists and is usually called Sheriarty.

 

The pairing names that I know of (& the paired characters):

Johnlock: John & Sherlock

Sherlolly/Mollock (not sure why the 2nd one): Molly & Sherlock

Adlock: Irene & Sherlock

Mystrade: Mycroft & Lestrade

Sheriarty: Sherlock & Moriarty

Mylock (shudders at the thought of that one...I'll pass on reading those): Mycroft & Sherlock

Sherstrade: Sherlock & Lestrade

Mormor: Moriarty & Sebastian Moran

 

I have seen Sherlock paired with just about everyone but his mother, Mr. Chatterjee, Donovan, Anderson, & Stamford

 

 

And let me proudly point out that Jolie_Black and I shamelessly paired Mycroft and Anderson, in a pairing that Gyll_Wynn named Andercroft.   :D

[T.o.b.y]

 

And let me proudly point out that Jolie_Black and I shamelessly paired Mycroft and Anderson, in a pairing that Gyll_Wynn named Andercroft.   :D

 

You didn't. That's got to be the most unappealing couple ever...

 

About the RIP - comment: What else was he going to say. I find myself increasingly worried that concerns about "people talking" might ruin the show, or at least limit the way in which the show is willing to further to explore the central relationship until it becomes just another buddy thing full of uncomfortable "no homo" moments. But on the other hand, I don't believe the writers actually give any more F***s about what people say than Sherlock himself (I hope!).

[Arcadia]

Spontaneous thought - the only woman I see as a partner for Sherlock would be (don't kill me) Mary. Because they could be partners before being lovers. And she seems to me as the only woman capable of this.

I actually agree ... not Mary specifically, but her type. She can handle him, but without trying to be in control. I quite love her personality, actually. Too bad about the career. :P

 

 

And let me proudly point out that Jolie_Black and I shamelessly paired Mycroft and Anderson, in a pairing that Gyll_Wynn named Andercroft.   :D

 

You didn't. That's got to be the most unappealing couple ever...

 

About the RIP - comment: What else was he going to say. I find myself increasingly worried that concerns about "people talking" might ruin the show, or at least limit the way in which the show is willing to further to explore the central relationship until it becomes just another buddy thing full of uncomfortable "no homo" moments. But on the other hand, I don't believe the writers actually give any more f***s about what people say than Sherlock himself (I hope!).

 

The people who provide the money might care, though.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

 

Spontaneous thought - the only woman I see as a partner for Sherlock would be (don't kill me) Mary. Because they could be partners before being lovers. And she seems to me as the only woman capable of this.

I actually agree ... not Mary specifically, but her type. She can handle him, but without trying to be in control. I quite love her personality, actually. Too bad about the career. :P

 

 

And let me proudly point out that Jolie_Black and I shamelessly paired Mycroft and Anderson, in a pairing that Gyll_Wynn named Andercroft.   :D

 

You didn't. That's got to be the most unappealing couple ever...

 

About the RIP - comment: What else was he going to say. I find myself increasingly worried that concerns about "people talking" might ruin the show, or at least limit the way in which the show is willing to further to explore the central relationship until it becomes just another buddy thing full of uncomfortable "no homo" moments. But on the other hand, I don't believe the writers actually give any more f***s about what people say than Sherlock himself (I hope!).

 

The people who provide the money might care, though.

 

 

However, if you try to cater to 1 part of the fandom, you will alienate another.  And that alienation may cost the show the ratings it needs to stay afloat as they may have unintentionally alienated the majority.  The guys are better off not catering to any part of the fandom and keep up the quality work (which by default caters to the whole fandom).  They are less likely to lose the fandom that way.

[Arcadia]

I like to think they're on the right track. Moffat once said "Tumblr is not the fandom" (or was it Twitter? Whatever) which I thought was pretty wise of him ... the loudest, most aggressive voices seldom represent the majority. I think most fans are probably like my friends; they like the show, they'll watch it if it ever comes back again ... and their interest stops there. Those are the people I think the show is primarily being made for.

 

Well, no ... the show is primarily being made for the creators themselves, if you believe them. :d The rest of us come somewhere further down the list. :p

[Carol the Dabbler]

 ... the show is primarily being made for the creators themselves, if you believe them. :D The rest of us come somewhere further down the list. :P

 

Oh, I believe them, all right!  How else do you account for Mary?

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I like Mary even if she is ooc to the original stories.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I do too -- but she certainly is, as you say, not the sweet little Mary Morstan of canon!

[Arcadia]

Well, thank goodness for that. :p (But ... an assassin??!!!???!?!?!?! )

[Shadow Dweller]

"The Queen" seems to be soooo not amused...

I like MG even more because of this :lol: He know what he wants and will not be deterred by pathetic attempt on emotional blackmail. d^_^b To the one who started the exchange; What are you, five years old spoiled little girl who threw tantrum each time something didn't turn to your liking?

[Carol the Dabbler]

Well, thank goodness for that. :P (But ... an assassin??!!!???!?!?!?! )

 

As I said, doesn't that kinda indicate that Moftiss are taking Rick Nelson's advice:  "You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself"?

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I like the saying I've seen several times over the years, "I can only please one person a day. Today is not your day.  Tomorrow doesn't look good either."

[Van Buren Supernova]

I like MG even more because of this :lol: He know what he wants and will not be deterred by pathetic attempt on emotional blackmail. d^_^b To the one who started the exchange; What are you, five years old spoiled little girl who threw tantrum each time something didn't turn to your liking?

Exactly.

Imho, that is the perfect response although I will applaud something more sinister than that. Going to die? Pfft.

 

 

As for partner I think Mary is more suitable as a good friend, they have the right dynamic for that, in fact, three of them have great dynamic so I don't really mind that she stays as long as they can make it reasonble, it's the baby that worries me more. For now, I trust them so I'd just wait and see eventhough, of course, I have some expectation that the story has to be good. :P

As for Irene-Sherlock, I don't think so too. It's passionate yes, but they will destroy each other because of constant need of outsmarting each other and being competitive. Sherlock needs someone homy, who understands him, who has ability to put him to place, someone he feels comfortable and even vulnerable with without constant need to be cold and smart, actually, imho, S3 Molly really fits that.

 

But having said that, I also think Sherlock has great formula without the romance, which is not easy to achieve and I love that.

I don't get why so many fans want it to have romance, it works well now, romance has potential to make it not special anymore, why everything have to go that way?

Aren't friendship, unrequited love, platonic relationship, mutual admiration and appreciation without longing for romance and lust realistic enough? Especially for someone like Sherlock?

 

For romance, it's a known, once characters get together, the story goes downhill, it become cliche, or they have to rock the relationship again, it's almost textbook, happens for almost every drama, romcom etc. And I don't want it for Sherlock, or for it to become ordinary drama. Eek.

 

Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe Sir Arthur Conan Doyle once said,"I thought I would try my hand at writing a story which the hero would treat crime as Dr.Bell treated disease and where science would take the place of romance."

 

And, that has been working for over a hundred years.

[Arcadia]

 

I like MG even more because of this :lol: He know what he wants and will not be deterred by pathetic attempt on emotional blackmail. d^_^b To the one who started the exchange; What are you, five years old spoiled little girl who threw tantrum each time something didn't turn to your liking?

Exactly.

Imho, that is the perfect response although I will applaud something more sinister than that. Going to die? Pfft.

 

To be fair to the girl who started that exchange, I think it's possible that she was being just as flippant as Mark was. (His response is funnier, though. )

 

As for partner I think Mary is more suitable as a good friend, they have the right dynamic for that, in fact, three of them have great dynamic so I don't really mind that she stays as long as they can make it reasonble, it's the baby that worries me more. For now, I trust them so I'd just wait and see eventhough, of course, I have some expectation that the story has to be good. :P

Has anyone seen the baby on set since Ep 1? That may be an indication right there of how much it matters to the story.

 

As for Irene-Sherlock, I don't think so too. It's passionate yes, but they will destroy each other because of constant need of outsmarting each other and being competitive. Sherlock needs someone homy, who understands him, who has ability to put him to place, someone he feels comfortable and even vulnerable with without constant need to be cold and smart, actually, imho, S3 Molly really fits that.

So does John. :P

[Van Buren Supernova]

 

As for Irene-Sherlock, I don't think so too. It's passionate yes, but they will destroy each other because of constant need of outsmarting each other and being competitive. Sherlock needs someone homy, who understands him, who has ability to put him to place, someone he feels comfortable and even vulnerable with without constant need to be cold and smart, actually, imho, S3 Molly really fits that.

So does John. :P

 

XD I know..

I almost said John too, but then again, maybe not, because Sherlock always tries to impress John, he always wants to be clever, and he never, never wants to seem vulnerable to John. Remember, he looks sad only when John is not looking.