What about Sherlock's feelings for Molly?

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Well, my musings are that something more DOES happen between them but with disastrous results because he can't handle it. But I do think if they push his character hard enough, crushing him in some way, that he could seek solace and comfort with Molly, but if either of them were to get that confused with love, hearts will be broken... that's what I see.

I second that. It could be a good thing but there is so much room for disaster because of 1 wrong step.

[Arcadia]

I like the idea that something like that happened to Sherlock in the past, that's one reason he is the way he is.
 
I hope I'm not one of the ones who've "smacked you down" in the past. I don't mean to smack anybody, but I'm sure sometimes when I disagree with something I come on stronger than I should. A lot of times that's for lack of time to edit properly, I really don't mean to disparage anyone. My apologies to anyone who might have felt abraded by something I've said.
 
At any rate, this time I'm inclined to agree ... if something romantic happens between Sherlock and Molly, it won't end well for Molly. On the other hand, they need to go somewhere with her character other than her perpetually longing for Sherlock and never moving on, don't they? I have a hard time imagining a scenario that ends with her living happily ever after unless she escapes his orbit altogether -- but that would be sad for US. :(

[sfmpco]

Well, by the time S4 airs, BC will be 40, so Sherlock also turns 40.  Louise is only a year or two younger, so that puts Molly at that same age.  If she has hopes and dreams of building a life and family with someone, her biological clock is winding down.  Then again, she might not have those dreams of a family.  She is a medical professional and may not wish to stall or put aside her career for any length of time.

 

What I hope they do in S4 is maybe give her a little career growth and and accompanying respect.

[T.o.b.y]

I can imagine Molly getting to a point where she loves Sherlock, but honestly doesn't want him as a boyfriend any more. She'll always love him, I am sure of that, but love can change. You can lose your crush on someone and accept that the two of you were never meant to be, and you can still remember your infatuation fondly and be friends with the person, even really good friends. It is possible. Rare, but possible. Actually, I think Molly is already half way there. It will be interesting to see what happens though, now that Tom is gone. I'd quite like it if Sherlock made some kind of advances, probably at least partly experimental in nature, and got put in his place by her. I like the idea that they kind of missed each other - when she wanted him the most he hardly noticed her, and once he wakes up, she'll have moved on, and it's really good that way. I think that's romantic...

[Caya]

Romantic isn't what I would call it, but I agree your outline does have a certain poetic beauty.

[sfmpco]

I can imagine Molly getting to a point where she loves Sherlock, but honestly doesn't want him as a boyfriend any more. She'll always love him, I am sure of that, but love can change. You can lose your crush on someone and accept that the two of you were never meant to be, and you can still remember your infatuation fondly and be friends with the person, even really good friends. It is possible. Rare, but possible. Actually, I think Molly is already half way there. It will be interesting to see what happens though, now that Tom is gone. I'd quite like it if Sherlock made some kind of advances, probably at least partly experimental in nature, and got put in his place by her. I like the idea that they kind of missed each other - when she wanted him the most he hardly noticed her, and once he wakes up, she'll have moved on, and it's really good that way. I think that's romantic...

 

I do like this idea, but it will still hurt her to realize that he's woken up but it's too late...because there is the pain of what could have been.  And they will both have that pain.  

 

Something will happen in S4 between, and I think they will both feel the pain.

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Well, by the time S4 airs, BC will be 40, so Sherlock also turns 40.  Louise is only a year or two younger, so that puts Molly at that same age.  If she has hopes and dreams of building a life and family with someone, her biological clock is winding down.  Then again, she might not have those dreams of a family.  She is a medical professional and may not wish to stall or put aside her career for any length of time.

 

What I hope they do in S4 is maybe give her a little career growth and and accompanying respect.

 

 

With Benedict/Sherlock being 40 Louise/Molly will be 37 going on 38.  I would also like to see a career growth with her.  Even if it is the starting process.  "Sherlock, I've applied for 'position that is a promotion'. What do you think?"

[sittything]

Where are we getting Molly's age from?  Loo just turned 36.  Are we just assuming they're the same age?  And Sherlock's age?

[Arcadia]

I wish I knew where, but I know somewhere I read or heard that originally Sherlock was supposed to be about 27 in ASiP, but when they refilmed it they sort of went what the heck, and decided all the characters were the same ages as the actors.

 

Having said that, though, it makes more sense to me that Sherlock was in his 20's when we first meet him ... it makes his more, ah, immature behaviors more believable to me.

 

Yet more ambiguity to add to the mix!

[sfmpco]

They made Sherlock Benedict's age when they started the series.  That would make him 33-34.  The immaturity thing - that's just SH quirkiness.

[sittything]

Ah, gotcha... so I should just assume then that all the characters are the actors' ages then. 

 

So that will make Molly 37 next year when it airs. 

[sfmpco]

Ah, gotcha... so I should just assume then that all the characters are the actors' ages then. 

 

So that will make Molly 37 next year when it airs. 

 

Yep, and Sherlock will be 39 and at least 40 when S4 airs.

[sfmpco]

Crushes happen all the time.  To call it a "school-girl crush" is actually a bit demeaning and dismissive of an adult's feelings.

[sittything]

Crushes happen all the time.  To call it a "school-girl crush" is actually a bit demeaning and dismissive of an adult's feelings.

 

Where was this?

[Bendydoodle Cantaloupe]

 

Well, my musings are that something more DOES happen between them but with disastrous results because he can't handle it. But I do think if they push his character hard enough, crushing him in some way, that he could seek solace and comfort with Molly, but if either of them were to get that confused with love, hearts will be broken... that's what I see.

I second that. It could be a good thing but there is so much room for disaster because of 1 wrong step.

 

 

It's like hangman, see. Say the wrong thing and you could end it all.

[sfmpco]

Ah here's a lovely bit of Sherlolly;

 

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[sittything]

A nice video of all Sherlock-Molly moments in series 3... 

 

[sfmpco]

Lovely!  I shall add it to my list of Sherlolly videos.

 

A nice video of all Sherlock-Molly moments in series 3... 

 

 

 

[Godolphin]

Apologies if I'm repeating anything that's already been said. I've just had a delicious pint and am too muddled to read through all 28 pages.

 

I think Sherlock has developed a soft spot for Molly over time, and is honestly grateful for the help she provided when he faked his death. 

 

In the beginning, he was somewhat oblivious toward her the way he was toward most people (and toward most non-cerebral activities and needs, like eating). But it also seems like he'd got used to her, which made him a bit mean-spirited when he (mistakenly) thought that someone else was going to get her attention on the evening of the Christmas party. He was like a jealous sibling who ignored mom until sister or brother was about to get some special attention. He was caught short when the unexpected turned out to be true -- she was dressed up for him. He'd lashed out an an imagined rival for his doting audience because it hadn't occurred to him that she was risking to make herself more attractive for him. At that point, the most she'd managed to stammer out (other than descriptions of the latest corpse he "borrowed") was a query about coffee.

 

Sherlock is a drama queen. He likes the attention.

 

But I think John has made him more aware that other people actually matter, and he's come to appreciate Molly as a human being. Don't think he sees her romantically, but he's developed enough of a heart to understand that she deserves affection.

 

Cheers!

[J.P.]

There is something that just popped up in my head, that might support my assumption that for some reason Sherlock tried to oversee Molly's special attention.

We talked about him being blind to this kind of behavior, that he just couldn't recognize her allusions etc.

But...

He was perfectly capable to recognize an allusion (even if it was unintended) in John's questions at Angelo's. You can easily see him making a deduction, and then he is equally capable to address the issue, and to make it in a real decent and open manner, trying not to be rude. Why on Earth wasn't he able to say something like this to Molly? Was she so much a to him that he didn't considered her a person? On the other hand, while he blatantly calls John idiot on many occasions, he is never so rude to her, even if he is clearly manipulative.

 

What is in this odd curly head of his?

 

Probably nothing at all, as he is a fictive character, and initially Molly was just a piece of decoration, but we still can speculate.

[sittything]

I don't think Molly was too much of a goldfish to him.  If anything, her social awkwardness aside (which I'm sure he can relate to), I have to think he thinks highly of Molly's skills/intelligence. He never insults her intelligence, and he seems to have a high level of trust for her scientific/medical skills.  He seems to judge her appearance, choice in men, and her inability at small talk, but really that's it.  Unless I'm forgetting something?  

 

I've never really understood Sherlock's reactions to Molly.  He always seemed relatively oblivious to me when she asks about coffee, but then knows enough to manipulate her by complimenting her hair to see a body.  But then is oblivious enough again to do his whole ASIB deduction about her "new boyfriend" when it's actually him she's trying to impress.  Poor Molly...      Post ASIB, he seems to not forget/not notice her crush/feelings for him.

[sfmpco]

However, Molly does say in her blog that she is well aware that Sherlock is trying to manipulate her with flattery.  So if she is aware of it and does the thing he asks for, is she still being manipulated when she is willing.  What I think HE doesn't get is that she is onto his tricks.  

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

 

However, Molly does say in her blog that she is well aware that Sherlock is trying to manipulate her with flattery.  So if she is aware of it and does the thing he asks for, is she still being manipulated when she is willing.

 

 

     There is an old saying, but it's reference isn't really nice but the gist of it is, if you try to do something to someone, like manipulation, and they are aware and willing then no, it's not manipulation. Which I find very sweet on Molly's part. I wonder if on some level, she recognizes a kindred spirit in Sherlock. How awkward and backwards he feels at times. She is pretty intelligent in her own right and maybe that's why she can cut him some slack.

[sfmpco]

Well, I think they've also probably known each other for a while, perhaps a few years.  I mean, I think they've been around each other at Barts.  Certainly she would have seen him in the labs and in the morgue.

[Bakerstreet Irregular]

Oh yeah. This isn't the kind of relationship that happens over night. Not by a long shot.