What about Sherlock's feelings for Molly?

[sittything]

There is a small part of me that wishes they had just let Molly find a nice guy and settle down.  UNLESS... there is hope AND an end game to all of this.  Like retirement, bee keeping end game... I'd be fine with that.  I can wait for that.  But what I'm still more than a little bitter about is season 3 (which is highly ironic b/c I adore the vague shippiness of TEH in a masochistic sort of way), because while it made me think "Wha?!  What is happening here with these two?!?" it also still left Molly as a Sherlock-centric character.  And I get it, it's Sherlock's show... but Molly (in my Molly/Loo fangirling opinion) deserves a life outside of fawning over a man she can't have.  She doesn't necessarily need a man, but she doesn't need to be some plot device (to borrow from Mrs. Hudson)/placeholder for fangirls everywhere.  I mean, it's sweet and lovely (so Molly of her) that she loves such a broken, complicated figure even though she knows who he truly is.  She's us, the fans, I get it.  But I want more for her.  I want her, at the very least, to be there and love him as a friend... but to move on.  And I fear they haven't done that here.  Instead, they've broken it off with Tom and returned her to a pining away for Sherlock state (I hope I'm wrong).  Granted, I think it's a more mature and less girly, "crush" than before... but still.... it still... bothers me.

 

 

[Shadow Dweller]

I think Sherlock loves Molly in his own way but recognizes that he would destroy her and ultimately lose her friendship. Whether that's true or not, who can say? Maybe he wants to give her more but can't for fear of destroying her.

If that's what he really afraid of, destroying her, then he better have the balls to say it to Molly instead of indirectly keeping her in limbo. What will happen next depends on their personal choices but stringing a girl because of fear of losing friendship (or is it because what she can give him?) is the mark of very nasty manipulative behaviour that born from selfish interest.

[J.P.]

If that's what he really afraid of, destroying her, then he better have the balls to say it to Molly instead of indirectly keeping her in limbo. What will happen next depends on their personal choices but stringing a girl because of afraid losing friendship (or is it because what she can give him?) is the mark of very nasty manipulative behaviour that born from selfish interest.

 

... which sounds a lot like our Sherlock :P

 

[Arcadia]

There is a small part of me that wishes they had just let Molly find a nice guy and settle down.  UNLESS... there is hope AND an end game to all of this.  Like retirement, bee keeping end game... I'd be fine with that.  I can wait for that.  But what I'm still more than a little bitter about is season 3 (which is highly ironic b/c I adore the vague shippiness of TEH in a masochistic sort of way), because while it made me think "Wha?!  What is happening here with these two?!?" it also still left Molly as a Sherlock-centric character.  And I get it, it's Sherlock's show... but Molly (in my Molly/Loo fangirling opinion) deserves a life outside of fawning over a man she can't have.  She doesn't necessarily need a man, but she doesn't need to be some plot device (to borrow from Mrs. Hudson)/placeholder for fangirls everywhere.  I mean, it's sweet and lovely (so Molly of her) that she loves such a broken, complicated figure even though she knows who he truly is.  She's us, the fans, I get it.  But I want more for her.  I want her, at the very least, to be there and love him as a friend... but to move on.  And I fear they haven't done that here.  Instead, they've broken it off with Tom and returned her to a pining away for Sherlock state (I hope I'm wrong).  Granted, I think it's a more mature and less girly, "crush" than before... but still.... it still... bothers me.

I'm with you, but at the same time I still think they have plenty of room to get her into a better place. I don't feel like I actually know where she was left; the last time we saw the "real" Molly interact with Sherlock, she was slapping his face. If she sees Janine's kiss-and-tell, or if she hears what happened to Magnussen, is that going to affect what she thinks of him? She may finally find the reason she needs to move on. ("Consequences," said the man....)

 

Although this may be a good point at which to be careful what we wish for ... if she moves on, is there any reason for her to be on the show any more? (I shudder to think what Moftiss might do to her if she becomes superfluous.... !!! :o)

 

At any rate, do any of the characters have a life outside of their relationship to Sherlock? If so, we never see it, except occasional glimpses of John's love life -- but even that is entwined with Sherlock's fate, now. Personally, I feel free to suppose that Mike and John have a drink once in a while, Mary's taking singing lessons from Cath, Molly goes clubbing with her friends, etc etc -- without having to be shown any of that. Maybe I should put that in the "my headcanon" thread ... I like to presume Molly's basically happy with her life, she just hasn't found the right guy yet. 

 

 

I think Sherlock loves Molly in his own way but recognizes that he would destroy her and ultimately lose her friendship. Whether that's true or not, who can say? Maybe he wants to give her more but can't for fear of destroying her.

If that's what he really afraid of, destroying her, then he better have the balls to say it to Molly instead of indirectly keeping her in limbo. What will happen next depends on their personal choices but stringing a girl because of fear of losing friendship (or is it because what she can give him?) is the mark of very nasty manipulative behaviour that born from selfish interest.

 

I really felt like when he left her at the train guy's doorway that was pretty much what he was saying ... goodbye, I'm happy for you, I won't be in the way. It's not Sherlock leading her on, imo ... she just loves him, he doesn't love her back in the way that she wants, and she doesn't know what to do about it. To be honest, I think if he went to her and said "I can't be with you because I'll destroy you," it would make her want him even more. Because, you know, to say something like that would prove he's actually selfless .... :P

 

 

If that's what he really afraid of, destroying her, then he better have the balls to say it to Molly instead of indirectly keeping her in limbo. What will happen next depends on their personal choices but stringing a girl because of afraid losing friendship (or is it because what she can give him?) is the mark of very nasty manipulative behaviour that born from selfish interest.

 

... which sounds a lot like our Sherlock :P

Awww, but he's growing up too, y'know.

[Shadow Dweller]

Arcadia's post is too long to edit from mobile so....

 

>> To be honest, I think if he went to her and said "I can't be with you because I'll destroy you," it would make her want him even more. Because, you know, to say something like that would prove he's actually selfless ....

 

Molly the masochist *grins*

[sittything]

Arcadia's post is too long to edit from mobile so....

 

>> To be honest, I think if he went to her and said "I can't be with you because I'll destroy you," it would make her want him even more. Because, you know, to say something like that would prove he's actually selfless ....

 

Molly the masochist *grins*

 

Selfless, and also to me that would indicate he WANTS to be with her... but can't for that reason.

[Shadow Dweller]

Forgive me for sounds cynical but if he's truly selfless then he will stay away from her instead of risking making himself a martyr figure in her eyes.

[petnurser]

 

I think Sherlock loves Molly in his own way but recognizes that he would destroy her and ultimately lose her friendship. Whether that's true or not, who can say? Maybe he wants to give her more but can't for fear of destroying her.

Welcome to the forum, petnurser! I feel pretty much the same way; he doesn't trust himself not to destroy her. Quite rightly, I'm afraid.

 

 

Thanks for the welcome!

[sfmpco]

I suspect he's not really good with handling those kinds of emotions one way or the other.  He's got his guard up constantly, and when he lets it slip is when he makes bad decisions that have great consequences.  I'm not sure I buy into the idea that he just thinks he would hurt Molly.  Rather I think he is inexperienced at that kind of relationship and steers clear of it since it's not in his comfort zone.  Relationships require some small talk, and he's not good at that either.  He hates it.  He tunes it out.  He especially tunes it out if it doesn't revolve around him.  No, he doesn't want to hear how your day was, but he might be willing to tell you about his day if asked.  

[Arcadia]

Yeah, there's that too. Either way, it seems he can't trust himself to uphold his end of a relationship. (Considering how he's abused John's trust, is it any wonder? )

[sfmpco]

Interesting that that's sort of how Mycroft has always been  with him - a bit untrustworthy.

[Arcadia]

Ooooh, good point. He's learned from the master!

[Shadow Dweller]

That's the price of secluding yourself from human interaction at large, your little pool of acquaintances is the only one to provide model of relationship for experiment.

[J.P.]

That's the price of secluding yourself from human interaction at large, your little pool of acquaintances is the only one to provide model of relationship for experiment.

How true. Saying from my own experience.

[Van Buren Supernova]

I suspect he's not really good with handling those kinds of emotions one way or the other.  He's got his guard up constantly, and when he lets it slip is when he makes bad decisions that have great consequences.  I'm not sure I buy into the idea that he just thinks he would hurt Molly.  Rather I think he is inexperienced at that kind of relationship and steers clear of it since it's not in his comfort zone.  Relationships require some small talk, and he's not good at that either.  He hates it.  He tunes it out.  He especially tunes it out if it doesn't revolve around him.  No, he doesn't want to hear how your day was, but he might be willing to tell you about his day if asked.

 

 

  

Yeah, there's that too. Either way, it seems he can't trust himself to uphold his end of a relationship. (Considering how he's abused John's trust, is it any wonder? )

Agree with this. I don't think he is selfless. He is selfish for not wanting to get involved. Because involved means a lot of works for a relationship, and feelings make him fragile. However, because of this selfish reason he actually becomes selfless not to want any relationships.

Confusing..

[CrownOfMoriarty]

I think Sherlock is aware that he'd be no good for Molly in the long-run.

[Arcadia]

It would be a nice touch if he finally realizes what he's missed out on though, yeah? Sad, but fitting. (Notice I'm assuming if he ever came to such a realization, it would be after Molly's finally moved on for good.... for the life of me, I can't picture a happy ending for these two. Why why why?) (I know, I'll just blame Moftiss! :D )

[sittything]

It would be a nice touch if he finally realizes what he's missed out on though, yeah? Sad, but fitting. (Notice I'm assuming if he ever came to such a realization, it would be after Molly's finally moved on for good.... for the life of me, I can't picture a happy ending for these two. Why why why?) (I know, I'll just blame Moftiss! :D )

 

[Arcadia]

Yes, I believe that is EXACTLY the response they aim to get from us. :p

[sittything]

Oh, has anyone watched the videos from SDCC?  I haven't had a chance yet, but I saw a quote from Moffat floating around Tumblr, "How can you have Sherlock Holmes without Molly Hooper?" and I was wondering about the context.

[Arcadia]

Oh, has anyone watched the videos from SDCC?  I haven't had a chance yet, but I saw a quote from Moffat floating around Tumblr, "How can you have Sherlock Holmes without Molly Hooper?" and I was wondering about the context.

Yes --- and you would be trusting to a creaky memory here, but --- I'm pretty certain it was in connection with the special, and someone asking if Molly, or maybe just the ladies in general, would be in it. (Yes, they are, as we already knew... ) The joke is, since Molly's a non-canon character, she logically wouldn't appear in a Victorian version .... but how can you have Sherlock without Molly? Sort of like, how can Sherlock function without a cell phone?

 

I have a feeling this special is going to have our collective heads spinning....

[Van Buren Supernova]

It would be a nice touch if he finally realizes what he's missed out on though, yeah? Sad, but fitting. (Notice I'm assuming if he ever came to such a realization, it would be after Molly's finally moved on for good.... for the life of me, I can't picture a happy ending for these two. Why why why?) (I know, I'll just blame Moftiss! :D )

  

Oh, has anyone watched the videos from SDCC?  I haven't had a chance yet, but I saw a quote from Moffat floating around Tumblr, "How can you have Sherlock Holmes without Molly Hooper?" and I was wondering about the context.

Nooooo.....don't let them hear you.

Again.. I am worried that they will kill off Molly. To me, the signs and unexplored yet impact for Sherlock would be that.

 

From the EW article:

Forth season, which is still being written, as having "shattering emotionally draining you'll-never-be-the-same-again cliffhangers" that will sucker punch you into emotional devastation.

[Arcadia]

I think I'll give that one a "not like".

 

Killing off Molly is such the obvious thing to do, I'm hoping that's what will keep them from following that route. HEAR THAT, MOFTISS!?!?!??

It's predictable, dull, boring! :P

[sfmpco]

Strike that from the record.  There will be no killing of Molly.

[Inge l-w]

Predictable, dull, boring, but eminently ACD canon-compliant! If they plan S4 to be all about "consequences", then both Molly and Mary are fair game. Mrs Watson did not survive The Empty House, and Molly is very much an adjunct to the modern version. I suspect that Mr Moffat is quite capable of bringing Sally's dark prediction in SiP alive by having Sherlock implicated in Molly's demise, with all the proof pointing at his having done the deed.

In fact, all ladies in his life are fair game, so Janine and Irene could also be targeted, especially Irene, with the famous ACD quote of "the late Irene Adler, of dubious and questionable memory."