What about Sherlock's feelings for Molly?

[Godolphin]

Dear Godolphin,

You start with the false premise of modern Sherlock as a separate entity from his scriptwriter, who in this case was Mr Moffat, always ready to play tricks with the actors (his toys, and he does like to break them) the audience , and write a good line just for laughs!

 

Huh?

[sfmpco]

I would have to agree that there is something curiously old-fashioned with Sherlock.  Not to say that anything about his modern self isn't wholly modern.  It's hard to pin-point it exactly except perhaps his manners, that slight knight in shining armor that keeps closeted sometimes but will pull out at times.  And let's face it, he played "mother" perfectly in TRF when Moriarty came to tea.  Even his kisses to Molly on the cheek are sweet and mannered.

[Arcadia]

 

There is indeed something old-fashioned about Sherlock -- particularly how he dresses. I can't imagine seeing him in trackies! Or spandex!   It just wouldn't be Sherlock.

 

But what I also enjoy about the latest iteration of Sherlock is how artfully it's been updated. No cobblestone streets and hansom cabs, but the Tube and the Gherkin. A cell-phone addicted Sherlock who knows where a good Chinese restaurant or fish & chips place are. I think it's rubbed off nicely on Sherlock's character, too. He's true to the ACD original, but has been polished up a bit so he fits in the 21st century.

 

I'm really biting my lip here about the gentlemanly bit....okay....I'll concede that he has his gallant moments...but he's also an arse (and has described himself in like terms).  :D

 

Cheers!

 

Oh well, he can't be perfect all the time! :D

 

He's an odd mix, our Sherlock. So formal, and such an ass, all at the same time. It occurs to me "formal" might be a better way to describe him than "gentlemanly." (Although being formal is also rather old-fashioned.... :P )

[Arcadia]

I would have to agree that there is something curiously old-fashioned with Sherlock.  Not to say that anything about his modern self isn't wholly modern.  It's hard to pin-point it exactly except perhaps his manners, that slight knight in shining armor that keeps closeted sometimes but will pull out at times.  And let's face it, he played "mother" perfectly in TRF when Moriarty came to tea.  Even his kisses to Molly on the cheek are sweet and mannered.

Exactly! It's rather sweet, in its way...

[Shadow Dweller]

Some of us yearn for a more genteel world, some prefer the opposite. Two modern incarnation of Sherlock Holmes currently competing, it is BBC or CBS, folks! ;p

[Arcadia]

BBC for me, thank you!

[sfmpco]

BBC for me too!

[Inge l-w]

Always Granada first, BBC second!

Dear Godolphin, you have Andreas Vessalius' anatomy as your avatar, that would indicate deeper thinking and observational skills. You exuberantly posited female scientific positions (Molly the mousy pathologist) and Sherlock Holmes as equals, that is a logical fallacy, the kind Aristotle and Diogenes would have described as 'my cat has four legs, my dog has four legs, therefore my cat is a dog'! You cannot conscientiously separate the creation from its creator, however much you try. Best of luck with the old-fashioned bit,

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Definitely BBC over CBS. (And I don't mind Johnny Lee as an actor with the few things I've seen him in.)

[sfmpco]

This thread is so hijacked that I'm not sure it can be rescued.

[Arcadia]

I prefer BBC Sherlock's feelings for Molly over CBS Sherlock's feelings for Molly.

 

There, fixed. :p

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

Does the CBD version even have a Molly or equivalent.

 

I know our beloved Sherlock would want to keep Molly safe despite any manipulation he has done or might do in the future.

[Arcadia]

Does the CBD version even have a Molly or equivalent.

I have no idea...

 

I know our beloved Sherlock would want to keep Molly safe despite any manipulation he has done or might do in the future.

I sort of think of Sherlock as being like a wolf -- solitary, distant, aloof -- but threaten anyone in his "family" and you'll find out how fiercely protective he can be. And I do think Molly's in the family, even if she's not in the relationship to Sherlock that she'd like to be in.

 

Erm, I'm not so sure I like that last part of the analogy, it sounds a bit incestuous! :P

[sfmpco]

Maybe you should just say that Molly is part of his tight-knit circle of people he really trusts.  I'm not sure Donovan is in that circle, but I do think Anderson is.  

[Arcadia]

That's a bit less provocative, yes. :P

 

Anderson? Eh, maybe, if you can trust a guy with a loose screw.

 

What about Bill Wiggins?

[sfmpco]

He did have Anderson alongside Molly in his mind palace, so clearly he trusts and depends on his forensics knowledge, plus he did specifically ask for Anderson in TRF.  

 

As for Wiggins, I think you should start a new thread on him!  ;)

[Arcadia]

He did have Anderson alongside Molly in his mind palace, so clearly he trusts and depends on his forensics knowledge, plus he did specifically ask for Anderson in TRF.

True dat, I had forgotten.  

 

As for Wiggins, I think you should start a new thread on him!  ;)

Why me?!?!?!?!

 

Perhaps we should discuss Bill's feelings for Molly.

[T.o.b.y]

He did have Anderson alongside Molly in his mind palace, so clearly he trusts and depends on his forensics knowledge, plus he did specifically ask for Anderson in TRF. 

 

Yes, that has always puzzled me. I guess they wrote it that way to get Anderson in on the action, because he had an important role to play in the wake of that case, but why couldn't they have Lestrade send for him and Sherlock roll his eyes or something?

 

Maybe Sherlock has always respected Anderson more than it seemed. I mean, he bothered to interact with him at all, that must count for something. People he genuinely has no use for I bet he just ignores. Insofar, it's probably a good sign to be insulted by him. :P

 

And to take this discussion back to Molly, it seems that Sherlock has always noticed her. He's never had any trouble remembering her name, either. My theory is that he also knew from the start how attracted to him she was.

 

[sfmpco]

He says in ASIP that girlfriends aren't his area.  He could have just as easily said that boyfriends weren't his area. I think that deep, meaningful friendships really aren't his area. 

 

He simply has no use for romantic love either male or female as it gets in the way of his brain.  Everything he does is for the brain and all the rest is transport - the rest of his body is just for getting his brain from place to place.  But by HLV, that saying from the UP just doesn't ring as true anymore.

 

He has made emotional connections, including with Molly.  Not to be confused with romantic, but he does care deeply about her as a friend, and he would do anything to protect her and become absolutely monstrous if anyone went after her.

[Van Buren Supernova]

BBC! I don't even bother to side-eye Elementary. I guess it's not fair because shouldn't make judgement about something I don't know, but it's their fault if they fail to make me curious.

 

I sort of think of Sherlock as being like a wolf -- solitary, distant, aloof -- but threaten anyone in his "family" and you'll find out how fiercely protective he can be. And I do think Molly's in the family, even if she's not in the relationship to Sherlock that she'd like to be in.

 

Erm, I'm not so sure I like that last part of the analogy, it sounds a bit incestuous! :P

I like the wolf analogy, it's all perfect then my mind has to come and spoil it a bit by thinking, alpha wolf is the normally the one who breeds and produces pups XD.

But I guess that can be outsourced too!

 

He did have Anderson alongside Molly in his mind palace, so clearly he trusts and depends on his forensics knowledge, plus he did specifically ask for Anderson in TRF.  

 

 

 

In my mind, he asked for Anderson in TRF because he wanted it fast, Anderson was readily accessible and and capable enough to do the work he requested. It's more about practicality. Afterall, he still called him 'brilliant impression of an idiot'.

 

But I agree he seems to have new level of trust with Anderson in HLV.

 

 

 

He has made emotional connections, including with Molly.  Not to be confused with romantic, but he does care deeply about her as a friend, and he would do anything to protect her and become absolutely monstrous if anyone went after her.

Back to topic. THIS. Plus I think he really appreaciates and consider Molly as brilliant and equal.

[sfmpco]

Well certainly the way he used her knowledge in the mind palace to help him overcome shock and pain shows just how much he depends on her medical opinion.  We don't see him seeking after John's medical help in the mind palace.

[Inge l-w]

Dear sfmpco, that made perfect sense! As a pathologist, Molly is reminded of the human anatomy every working day, Dr Watson is a mere GP, who is good at his job but nowhere near her equal in specialisation.

[J.P.]

Have to disagree, Inge. John has a combat experience and has seen many of wounds caused by firearms. Probably more than Molly.

Well, so why John isn't in Sherlocks Mind Palace? Maybe Sherlock feared John would be too emotionally involved?

[Arcadia]

 

He did have Anderson alongside Molly in his mind palace, so clearly he trusts and depends on his forensics knowledge, plus he did specifically ask for Anderson in TRF.

 In my mind, he asked for Anderson in TRF because he wanted it fast, Anderson was readily accessible and and capable enough to do the work he requested. It's more about practicality. Afterall, he still called him 'brilliant impression of an idiot'.

 

Yes, on rewatching TRF I realized that was my thought as well; Sherlock asked for Anderson because he was the forensics man already on the scene, not because he specifically wanted Anderson. And it wasn't even a forensics man he wanted at all; it was the blacklight he was after. Which come to think of it, you'd think Sherlock would already carry one of those around himself. Maybe they don't make them small enough to look cool. :D

 

Honestly, I think John's not in the mind palace in HLV because they wanted to give screen time to Molly and Anderson.

[sfmpco]

You would indeed think Sherlock would carry a black light in his kit as it can illuminate so many different and disgusting things at a crime scene.