What about Sherlock's feelings for Molly?

[sfmpco]

No, that happened with Magnussen.

[Inge l-w]

Magnussen was executed at point-blanc range, this would be a proper crime investigation, with all the proof pointing to Sherlock having done the deed, without his actually having anything to do with her demise.

In particular, if A Moriarty is out to get Sherlock, which means thwarting the six-month exile in the first place by his apposite appearance, then Molly is the obvious choice, because her role in TRF has been exposed, a fact pointed out by Sherlock in TEH, when he commented that Moriarty had overlooked her, right at the end of their day investigating crime. A consultant criminal would not make the same mistake twice!

[jadpdr]

It makes perfect sense IF Moriarty is an electronic figment and not actually alive! All women who have had an impact on his life are fair game if it is about "consequences" and chickens come home to roost, as Mr Moffat pointed out in an article about S4. I just wish they would get together and start plotting out the major themes of it ASAP!

[Van Buren Supernova]

I think I'll give that one a "not like".

 

Killing off Molly is such the obvious thing to do, I'm hoping that's what will keep them from following that route. HEAR THAT, MOFTISS!?!?!??

It's predictable, dull, boring! :P

 

 

Strike that from the record.  There will be no killing of Molly.

I predict it out of will, and if it happened, it would probably make me bawl.

I can't remember when was the last time I cried for 'human' movie (movies about dog is another thing entirely!). This series can strangely make me feel what I don't normally feel.

And if they promise emotional devastation,..I'm not confident that they will fail with me I guess.

[sittything]

I'm banking on the fact that I think Moffat likes Molly too much to kill her off. 

[Arcadia]

..... I just wish they would get together and start plotting out the major themes of it ASAP!

Amen to that!

 

I'm banking on the fact that I think Moffat likes Molly too much to kill her off.

This is the man who writes things that make himself cry! (although off-hand I can't remember which scene he was referring to when he said that.) I ain't bankin' on nuthin'! :D

[sittything]

 

 

I'm banking on the fact that I think Moffat likes Molly too much to kill her off.

This is the man who writes things that make himself cry! (although off-hand I can't remember which scene he was referring to when he said that.) I ain't bankin' on nuthin'! :D

 

 

Oh, crap.  I didn't realize the man did that.  Well, then...  back to my corner to worry.

[sfmpco]

I write things that make me cry.  It just means that he's written something that touches an emotional chord with him.  Also, there's a point at which you can say that well, your characters aren't real, but yet as the writer you experience what they experience, and it can be quite an emotional upheaval.  I wouldn't read into his statement too much - i.e., forcing it to mean something disastrous for the characters.

[Arcadia]

Sure, of course. I was just havin' some fun.

[T.o.b.y]

We're talking about people who won't even properly kill their stories' villains. Why would they murder Molly? I just see no good reason to do that. If Louise Brealey someday decides that she's tired of the part, Molly can always find a better job in Australia or somewhere like that and move away. But I doubt even that is going to happen.

 

I do worry about Molly's safety, though, if Moriarty is back. He must be pretty keen to take revenge on her for helping Sherlock to fake his death. But on the other hand, both Holmes' brothers owe her a lot for the exact same reason, and if you have both Sherlock and Mycroft on your side, I think there's only so much that can happen to you, especially if you add John and Mary to your team. Molly has pretty impressive backup. :lol:

 

While I am not at all in favor of a Sherlock / Molly romance, I would love to see Sherlock go ballistic over some attempt to harm Molly. I think he would be awesome. I do like his ferocious side... It would be all the funnier if he got really into knight in shining armor mode and then Molly handled the situation on her own anyway long before he could spring into action.

[sfmpco]

Even if they did kill off Molly, she knows how to fake death.  It wouldn't be the first time someone faked death on the show....

 

[Boton]

Well, if it's any consolation, I just can't see Moftiss killing off Molly, at least not any time soon.  Being outside the strict ACD canon, she is just too useful to the narrative to kill lightly.  While we have the other canon characters to react to the modern Sherlock, Molly is one of the few (and the only major character) to be completely modern and able to give a completely modern reaction to Sherlock with none of the Victorian history or lore clouding her response.  

 

For example, her crush on Sherlock tells us a lot, really.  It tells us that, without even him noticing, he's a magnetic and sexually attractive man who is difficult to approach and interact with on that level.  Having Molly have that reaction to him is more interesting than just trying to describe how people perceive him.  And then viewing her evolving perspective of Sherlock gives us, from a narrative perspective, permission to be both awed and annoyed by him.  That's pretty powerful, and if they opted to kill off Molly, they'd pretty much have to invent another person to fulfill the same function.  And they like Molly, so I don't think they'll kill her carelessly or thoughtlessly or soon or even at all.

[Mollock]

I am a huge sherlolly shipper. But I know that it will never happen just because he's Sherlock Holmes and she's Molly Hooper. But to say that he doesn't love her, is not really true imo. He does love her, not in the sense we feel one should love another. I feel that's because Sherlock is completely different than what "normal" would be considered. For him love is an irrationality, he doesn't want anything to do with sentiments. He is a man who is devoted to his work. What I am trying to get at is, that's as romantic as Sherlock can be. A lot of people believe he loved Irene but in the actual books (my interpretation) he respected her for her intelligence, her wits and the challenges she presented him with. It gave him a different type of Rush, cuz for the first time he found someone who could outwit him and he liked it. It was something different and interesting, it wasn't ordinary. But I don't think he loved her, like many believe he did. But that's just me. Back to Molly. I think he genuinely does care for her. He really does grow fond of her. He even asks her to solve crimes with him, which is the highest stature he can hold someone in (sorry if that didn't make sense). Not to mention that he placed a huge responsibility on her to safe guard his deepest secret for 2 years. That might no be love in its traditional sense for someone like me and you. But that just might be love for Sherlock Holmes since he really isn't capable of the type of love Molly wants from him.

[Arcadia]

I think Sherlock loves a lot of people, even (gasp) Mycroft. But it's not romantic love. The big mystery is why he thinks he mustn't show it.

 

Irene ... I don't know, I just can't buy the idea that he loves her even in a non-romantic way. He likes being flattered by her, and he likes being challenged by her, but does he really care for her? I just don't see it...he respects her, but I feel like that's as deep as the feeling goes. Apparently he does fantasize about her, though! :D

[Mollock]

I think Sherlock loves a lot of people, even (gasp) Mycroft. But it's not romantic love. The big mystery is why he thinks he mustn't show it.

 

Irene ... I don't know, I just can't buy the idea that he loves her even in a non-romantic way. He likes being flattered by her, and he likes being challenged by her, but does he really care for her? I just don't see it...he respects her, but I feel like that's as deep as the feeling goes. Apparently he does fantasize about her, though! :D

Definitely!. I don't think Sherlock is capable of love in its romantic sense. If you go by Johns theory that he has Aspergers it makes sense why sentiments evade Sherlock, and he can't express what he feels properly. He surely does love a lot of people , but I really love this show because it's not just portraying love in its romantic sense. Cuz when we hear "love"we always think girlfriend and boyfriend or husband and wife. But love can just be as simple as caring for someone from the bottom of heart, trusting them with your life, going berserk when any harm comes to the ones you care about. I think that's the love Sherlock is definitely capable of. And I love that about him. Irene on the other hand, he could never trust her, even though he was attracted to her. So I guess he never loved her, if love for him is trusting someone completely( going by that definition at least)

[Arcadia]

That's a pretty good definition!

[sfmpco]

I am going to agree and disagree, but bear with me while I explain.

 

Romantic love is not something Sherlock has ever cultivated.  He doesn't know how to do it, but that doesn't mean that somewhere in his heart isn't the desire to experience it. Good grief he can barely tolerate his mother putting her hand on his cheek in TEH.  That look he gave Janine at the wedding reception when he really wanted to dance with her... that small window of wanting, and yet she was with someone else... someone who, btw, he had roundly deduced for her during his best man speech.  So he sort of short-circuited himself there and realized it.  Because he DID want that moment with her.  Had she danced with him and given him that moment of just being normal, perhaps things would have gone differently between them.  Then again, she was connected to Magnussen, so she was doomed.  However, even when she visited him in the hospital room, you could see that he regretted the choices he made with her when she left.

 

With Molly the situation is very different.  He's known her as a professional in her field for many years, and he's depended on her for many things.  She probably schedules, among other things, time for him to use the labs at the hospital.     He does love her in a friendship kind of way.  She is terribly loyal to him while at the same time has developed an unrequited crush on him, and he is loyal enough to her to wish her happiness with Tom, despite the fact that he knows she still carries a torch for him.  Once the engagement ring is in the picture, he is gentlemanly enough to know there's a line he cannot cross.  In a way, he short-circuited himself again.  

 

When he says "girlfriends - not my area" in ASIP it wasn't an admission of being gay but rather an admission that relationships really just aren't his area.  Donovan says he doesn't have any friends, and presumably she has observed that from having working around him on several cases.  Plus he generally tended to say offensive things that made him somewhat off-putting.  It's hard to be friends with someone like that.  

 

I've read some quite fluffy Sherlolly fanfiction.  It doesn't ring true, and sometimes that's a little off-putting.  It doesn't ring true, btw, of either of them.  Moffat has said nothing will ever happen between Sherlock and Molly, but stuff has happened already, and I think that some of the "consequences" he says will show up in S4 may include something to do with Molly.  Interesting that Sherlock uses her flat - her bedroom - as one of his bolt holes.  She was quite nervous, almost embarrassed about admitting that - and who is the mysterious person she admitted it to?  Likely Mary.  Mary who knew how to search for Sherlock in places John, Lestrade and Mycroft wouldn't.  What an interesting confession Molly makes.  He may have slept in Molly's bed.  Whether or not she was in it at the time is irrelevant.  

 

Molly's day helping Sherlock solve crimes is probably the closest to a "date" that they'll ever have.  She admits she had a lovely time.  She enjoyed her time with him, and he equally enjoyed his time with her and was even going to finish it off with fish and chips...except her engagement ring got in the way.  

 

A lot of folks think Molly is too good for him, but she clearly says in TEH that he's just her type.  She likes the damaged, dark soul.  I don't think Tom was her type.  I think she settled and then realized she couldn't go through with it because her feelings for Sherlock were just too strong.  She is not mousey.  She corrects him constantly, and he submits to her correction, except he was still a bit of a git after she slapped him in the lab.  We'll chalk that up to him being high.  After that we don't see her except in the mind palace where she becomes all medical knowledge to him to help him survive and focus.  

 

I would love to see Sherlock in a relationship but it will never happen in the series.  I think as a character, however, he IS  capable, but he's completely inept and inexperienced. He has control issues, and rather than display his awkwardness at relationships, it's easier just not to be involved. A romantic relationship requires a certain amount of sentimentality, and he keeps sentiment at bay (although he's quite sentimental in other ways like his music compositions).  He can't be sincere with John half of the time, so he would be emotionally untrustworthy in a dating relationship with a woman.  He's got a puppyish side to him but he's a dangerous man.  Molly carries a torch for a dangerous man, and she has no idea just how dangerous he is.  He knows, however, and that likely also keeps him from getting involved.

 

While I think Molly had a crush on him at the beginning, I think it has evolved in to a deep, true love and respect for him.  

 

Uhmmm... I'm rambling.

 

I think, however, that unless you have worked with the characters as a writer, you have no idea what they are really capable of.  So I challenge everyone who reads this forum, to write some fan fiction as an exercise, even if it's just a short vignette.  Write a scene where Sherlock asks Molly out, and see if he can even get the words out of his mouth and stay in character.

 

[J.P.]

Oh, ramble away, anytime you like.

 

But...

Sherlock somehow managed to ask out Janine, and even built something like a relationship. Of course faking emotions is not the same as taking the risk of actually getting emotionally involved, but at least he knows how it goes.

[Mollock]

I found this quote from a different forum, that someone posted. Then it got me thinking when Moffat said in an interview that Sherlock adores Molly. Of course anything the writers say is very open ended. Just thought I would post it.

 

"When you feel like you adore someone, it's saying that you look up to them and have a lot of affection for them, and you want to do things that will make them happy because making them happy makes you feel good".

 

Could that apply to Sherlock and Molly?

[J.P.]

Well, on their day of solving crimes together - it almost looks like that. But there is not enough interaction between them in S3 to tell more.

At the beginning he seems not sure what to think about her.

[T.o.b.y]

I love the scene in A Scandal in Belgravia where Sherlock reads his name on Molly's special present and seems to realize for the first time that he has it in his power to really emotionally hurt her. I think before, he saw her crush on him but he treated it as a joke, as fair game for ridicule, because he didn't realize it had anything to do with real affection, let alone love.

 

Things change between Sherlock and Molly when he understands that she really loves him. Seeing that in other people must be Sherlock's blind spot. I don't know if the thinks he's unlovable or something, but he hurts his friends constantly and then seems genuinely amazed when he sees he's done actual damage (see The Reunion with John). He's also terribly callous with his own family - doesn't he get that Mummy and Daddy adore him as well? Or that it really would break Mycroft's heart if he died? 

 

Of all the characters in the series, I think Molly is the only one who might actually end up being Sherlock's romantic partner for any period of time, no matter how brief. I don't want it to happen, really not. But I do think it might just be possible.

 

Of course Irene Adler is The Woman. But that's different. Sherlock's relationship with her is closer to what he has with Moriarty than to a friendship. It's kind of a "I love to be your enemy" thing.

 

Molly's problem (or possibly salvation) with Sherlock is that he really does not seem to find her attractive. I think he loves her as a friend and respects her as a human being, he's a little awed by the depth and scope of her affection for him, but she's not the kind of person he'd want running around his mind palace with no clothes on or splashing around in his bathtub.

[sfmpco]

And yet... I suspect Sherlock has deduced Molly's measurements too.  Probably just happens automatically.

[sittything]

I will never give up hope for Sherlock and Molly, as hopeless as it is.  I guess I'm Molly.  lol

[sfmpco]

I will never give up hope for Sherlock and Molly, as hopeless as it is.  I guess I'm Molly.  lol

 

I will always ship them, and I will always write them that way, but the reality is that it will never be smooth sailing for them.

[Mollock]

I know what I am about to say is very very very ridiculous. But It actually brings tears to my eyes sometimes because Sherlolly will never happen. I don't know why, it's very stupid of me, but it does. Hopeless romantic I guess.