Series 4 News

[sfmpco]

Well, we don't know if Mary will survive S4 or not, but we can determine how many episodes she is in by following Abbington's filming schedule.  If she films off and on throughout the entire shoot, we can be pretty sure she'll be in all 3 episodes.  

[Carol the Dabbler]

Well, we don't know if Mary will survive S4 or not, but we can determine how many episodes she is in by following Abbington's filming schedule.  If she films off and on throughout the entire shoot, we can be pretty sure she'll be in all 3 episodes.  

 

... bearing in mind that they don't always shoot in 1, 2, 3 order.  And that they're big on flashbacks (often to things we haven't seen before) and Sherlock's memory palace.

[Arcadia]

I'm gonna be waiting for the retirement Sherlock-Molly beekeeping spin-off in a few decades.

I'd watch that too.

 

.... I DO NOT TRUST Mr Moffat further than I could throw him: he's a proverbial tease!

A tease who knows we loved to be teased ...........

 

I actually ordered the colouring book with the Sherlock scenes. Today I managed to colour the Speedys Cafe canvas blind already.  :lol:

Guess I will take as much time to finish the pictures as they take with the new season, haha...but hey, at least no stress.

I'd advise you to save a few year's worth of pages, there's always the next hiatus to get through...... :d

[Inge l-w]

If the working title for the first episode is indeed Pink Amends, as some sneak previews of one third of the title page seem to suggest, then it could cut both ways between Dr Watson and his ex-assassin wife, especially since in the gloomy atmosphrere of the restaurant it could not be discerned if she was still pregnant or not, and all things being equal, he proposed in a posh restaurant, he might not think the expense worth it when breaking up with her, what with his being of Scots ancestry and all that.

[T.o.b.y]

Well, we don't know if Mary will survive S4 or not, but we can determine how many episodes she is in by following Abbington's filming schedule.  If she films off and on throughout the entire shoot, we can be pretty sure she'll be in all 3 episodes.  

 

I would be very surprised if Mary didn't stay alive until the last episode at least. I can't really imagine them killing her off, they seem to like her very much and there's still plenty for them to do with the character. Perhaps they will use the expectation that she "has" to die at some point to create suspense though, or make this part of the next cliff-hanger.

 

[Arcadia]

I hope they keep her around long enough for some of the hating on her to subside. If such a thing is possible; some of the hate seems awfully wilfull. I can understand wishing she weren't there, but the level of vehemence some people exhibit is depressing. I'd like to think they're in the minority, though, that the majority, once exposed to more of her, will see that having her around doesn't spoil the show, just gives it new directions to explore.
 
That's assuming, of course, that having her around doesn't spoil the show! :P I can think of so many ways they can screw it up  .....

[Bluebell]

I also hope they keep Mary, because they made a cool intelligent character of her. I don't know why people would hate her - maybe because of John & Sherlock?? Nah...there's still plenty of room for that as well I think :D.

 

I would only hate her if they would have made her just some blonde bimbo character or something.

[bedelia1984]

Another one that would like Mary kept alive here! I like to think that in the modern Sherlock universe female characters are not only more empowered but also less expendable than in the ACD world.

[sittything]

If the working title for the first episode is indeed Pink Amends, as some sneak previews of one third of the title page seem to suggest, then it could cut both ways between Dr Watson and his ex-assassin wife, especially since in the gloomy atmosphrere of the restaurant it could not be discerned if she was still pregnant or not, and all things being equal, he proposed in a posh restaurant, he might not think the expense worth it when breaking up with her, what with his being of Scots ancestry and all that.

 

Oh, oh!  Link to title pics?  I haven't seen these yet...

[sittything]

Nevermind... found it:

 

 

I wonder if that name is gonna stick?  Of it it's just what they're calling it for now.

 

ETA: I've also seeing that it could just be referring to amendments/changes being made on pink paper in the script.

[Caya]

I also hope they keep Mary, because they made a cool intelligent character of her. I don't know why people would hate her - maybe because of John & Sherlock?? Nah...there's still plenty of room for that as well I think :D.

 

I would only hate her if they would have made her just some blonde bimbo character or something.

 

Please, please, don't make me go off on another "no, you don't need to be a Johnlocker to hate Mary" rant. You can find plenty of those in the archives if you've got a hankering for them.

 

She killed Sherlock. For me, that's plenty of reason to dislike the char and wish she'd have been killed off already. I'm also sick and tired of, again and again, having called the validity of my opinion into question.

 

I don't like her. You like her. Good on you, honestly. But please don't go into that whole "why would you hate her?" spiel. Why can't we just agree to disagree on a character?

[Bluebell]

Don't worry, it's beyond me to start discussions of anything like that...everyone likes who or what they like. I am sure there's lots of opinions about Mary or anyone in the show, I actually do not really care about who like whom and who not....I just wondered about this for myself, and said that I just like her and why, that's all.

And if you don't like her, it's fine - not my problem.

[Inge l-w]

Mary Dear, doesn't belong in ANY Sherlock universe for very long, from ACD down to the latest fad! And this Mary, in particular, turned out to be not only an ex-CIA assassin but a freelance one at that!

Her willingness to take ANOTHER potshot at Sherlock during the Leinster Gardens debacle just to protect what she things rightfully belongs to her: the male called John Watson, is immediate reason to terminate her with extreme prejudice once Mycrft finds out who actually shot his little brother! It is not the fault of the actress, she was just written that way: blame the scriptwriter for making her deceitful, an opportunistic pathogen on burned skin!

[sittything]

Unpopular opinion, but I don't really mind if Mary dies.  Its' not that I want her to die, I'm just apathetic about her, and if someone has to die in Season 4, I'll sacrifice her over Mycroft or Molly any day.

[T.o.b.y]

Unpopular opinion, but I don't really mind if Mary dies. Its' not that I want her to die, I'm just apathetic about her, and if someone has to die in Season 4, I'll sacrifice her over Mycroft or Molly any day.

Agreed. If someone has to die, I think Mary would be the least painful candidate. (Although I must admit I wouldn't mourn Mycroft much either). My prognosis that she will live is not based on my own wishes so much as my impression that the creators really like her and also want a female main character around. I also think Mary's death would be hard to write. We've already seen John at Sherlock's grave. It's too soon to put him through something like that again.

 

Also, Mary dying is something nearly everybody expects to happen, and I suspect Moffat and Co are contrary enough to let that be a reason to let her live. :-p

[bedelia1984]

I hope it isn't the case that someone has to die on the show. I quite like that Sherlock is a less brutal and tragic world than some of the crime shows on TV, and would be delighted to keep everyone. If I had to choose I would likely place Mary lower than Molly and Mycroft on my list of who to save, though I think the ramifications of her dying would turn the show into a more melancholic and less fun affair all round.

[Arcadia]

Another one that would like Mary kept alive here! I like to think that in the modern Sherlock universe female characters are not only more empowered but also less expendable than in the ACD world.

 

I hope it isn't the case that someone has to die on the show. I quite like that Sherlock is a less brutal and tragic world than some of the crime shows on TV, and would be delighted to keep everyone. If I had to choose I would likely place Mary lower than Molly and Mycroft on my list of who to save, though I think the ramifications of her dying would turn the show into a more melancholic and less fun affair all round.

All good points ... and mostly I just don't want to see John go through that, at least not so soon.

[bedelia1984]

 

... and mostly I just don't want to see John go through that, at least not so soon.

 

 

 

That's exactly how I feel. Added to that, in current times losing both a wife and baby in childbirth is frankly more unusual and cruel than in the times the original novels are set- when it was unfortunately a more commonplace event. So, they would need to consider the dramatic proportions that an event like that would have within the show, and within John's life. I know they've talked about going dark, and romantic, but I hope they aren't talking about Mary's death. I don't like to dwell on their mention of both ghosts and romance too long when considering John and Mary, though if they do kill her off I bet they would bring Amanda back in some form, as a memory or part of Sherlock's mind palace.

[Inge l-w]

Except when there's conclusive proof that the child isn't your own, in which case it will be Baby Morstan, can be kept alive and well and follow its ex-assassin mother to a secure different identity. No real harm done, except bursting the (fake ) bubble of Dr watson's happiness so incongruously made much of in TSoT

[Arcadia]

Yep, God forbid John should have a genuine moment of happiness.....

[Carol the Dabbler]

 also hope they keep Mary, because they made a cool intelligent character of her. I don't know why people would hate her - maybe because of John & Sherlock?? Nah...there's still plenty of room for that as well I think :D.

 

I would only hate her if they would have made her just some blonde bimbo character or something.

 

Please, please, don't make me go off on another "no, you don't need to be a Johnlocker to hate Mary" rant. You can find plenty of those in the archives if you've got a hankering for them.

 

She killed Sherlock. For me, that's plenty of reason to dislike the char and wish she'd have been killed off already. I'm also sick and tired of, again and again, having called the validity of my opinion into question.

 

I don't like her. You like her. Good on you, honestly. But please don't go into that whole "why would you hate her?" spiel. Why can't we just agree to disagree on a character?

 

Martina, I think I can understand your feelings here, since I felt a bit like the odd one out right after the series aired, due to the vociferousness at that time of a few anti-Mary members.  But Bluebell didn't say that people shouldn't hate Mary, or that only Johnlockers would hate her.  She merely said that she didn't understand that point of view.  Now that you've explained your rationale, perhaps she understands it a bit better.

[sfmpco]

My feeling - John loves her.  Sherlock has forgiven her.  No one else has to do either, but that's what's in the show.  That's where it's at.

 

John has been through so much trauma - losing Sherlock for 2 years, then having his wife's double life exposed to him not to mention the fact that she put a bullet in Sherlock. Even so, how much more trauma do we want to beat him down with?  Because he genuinely loves Mary and has made a commitment to her, and anything that either kills her off, destroys her, whatever - it also destroys him... again.  I don't want to see that much trauma constantly beleaguering his character.  John is tough, but he also suffers PTSD.

 

Something is going to happen which they say will be devastating.  Since there are a good many people who don't like Mary, her departure (by whatever means) would hardly be devastating to them.  I think whatever the devastating thing is, it isn't that.

[T.o.b.y]

My feeling - John loves her. Sherlock has forgiven her. No one else has to do either, but that's what's in the show. That's where it's at.

 

John has been through so much trauma - losing Sherlock for 2 years, then having his wife's double life exposed to him not to mention the fact that she put a bullet in Sherlock. Even so, how much more trauma do we want to beat him down with? Because he genuinely loves Mary and has made a commitment to her, and anything that either kills her off, destroys her, whatever - it also destroys him... again. I don't want to see that much trauma constantly beleaguering his character. John is tough, but he also suffers PTSD.

 

Something is going to happen which they say will be devastating. Since there are a good many people who don't like Mary, her departure (by whatever means) would hardly be devastating to them. I think whatever the devastating thing is, it isn't that.

Agreed. If they wanted to see the fandom in tears over Mary, they would have to make more people like her first.

[Arcadia]

I agree, as far as the fandom goes. But the larger audience is bigger than us, and I suspect most of them will barely remember who Mary is or what she did, and will like her if she's likable in S4.

[T.o.b.y]

I agree, as far as the fandom goes. But the larger audience is bigger than us, and I suspect most of them will barely remember who Mary is or what she did, and will like her if she's likable in S4.

True... I can never tell what audience exactly they have in mind. In interviews and such like, they say they aren't really concerned with the super-involved, hardcore fans and cater to the casual ones, but then they make episodes like The Empty Hearse or now The Abominable Bride that really only make sense if you are a die-hard Sherlock fanatic with detailed knowledge of the series and a good memory plus ideally know the original Doyle stories well, too.