Series 4 News

[Carol the Dabbler]

Nope, she's still a girl as far as I know. John and Greg have been having a conversation ostensibly about the baby, but using it to draw parallels between her behavior and Sherlock's. So that "he" at the end is Sherlock.

 

Thanks for the transcript! I'm on my cellphone, and didn't catch quite everything.

[Inge l-w]

If the 125-year-old spoiler is about Sherlock originally being Sherrinford as an insider joke, then it will fizzle out rather objectionably.

[Arcadia]

Well, for crying out loud, of all the nights I decide NOT to stay up and see Colbert....
 

 

 

Thanks for that link! I could only watch it on my teeny little phone but it was still cool. Did anybody get who the lady was next to Sherlock in the Baker St scene?

The only woman I noticed next to him was reaching for his hair, so I assume it was Claire. Did you spot something I didn't?

 

 
No, I didn't. I just couldn't see very well on my little screen. All I noticed was a woman next to him for a split second, but I couldn't make out whether it was a character or a member of the production team. So yeah, Claire makes perfect sense. Thank you!

 

Could be a random fan lunging for his hair, I suppose. :P
 

 

I find I'm getting a bit numb to it all. Not that I'm not looking forward to seeing the new series, but some of the bubbly excitement about this show that I was still feeling as recently as this summer has faded ever since Ben started talking about "feeling like it's complete", or however he said it. Now this. If they're really not going to make much effort to go forward any time soon, I guess it's kinder to start preparing us for that. But it's taking some of the glow off being a fan, for me, somehow.

 
:lol: Being in love with a work of fiction is a lot like being in love with a person, for me at least. I've been past the bubbly crush state for a while now with Sherlock, but that's okay. I'm more of a fan of the later stages of love anyway. He'll take his place among works like The Lord of the Rings or the old Star Wars trilogy and I'll get him out every other year, dust him off and go "awwww, weren't those good times" in front of my TV. I don't fall out of love with things (or people) once I've become really attached to them.

 

Yeah, I agree with that. It had just been awhile since I felt the bubbly part, I guess, so I was enjoying the sensation and was a bit sad to see it wearing off. But yeah, I tend to be pretty loyal to my pop culture passions, even if I do end up weeding out the collector's items eventually. So, thanks back! That makes me feel better.
 

With the creators teasing "Sherrinford" and setting the stage for something dark in Sherlock's past in TAB, I expect series 4 to focus at least as much, if not more, on the Holmes family than the Watsons. My theory is that Sherlock will be brought to face his (and his brother's) demons and once he's through with that, he won't be able to continue his life at Baker St right away. Perhaps he'll take a break from detective work altogether and go live in Janine's cottage (with or without her, although romance aside, I think Sherlock needs a housekeeper of some sort). Or he'll have to travel around the world again to sort things out .....

Isn't that how the 7% Solution ended? With Holmes taking off on a world tour? (That supposedly explained why he was missing all that time after Reichenbach.) So I can absolutely see them going that way. Now that I think about it, wasn't that movie about Holmes facing his demons? Hmmm.
 
I think I would like that outcome better than most of the others that have been suggested, because it ends on an up note. If we really are in for a lonnnnnng break, I'd rather imagine Sherlock off enjoying himself on a holiday than languishing in exile somewhere. Or having adventures in London with John but us not getting to see them. :(
 

Transcript of the clip shown on the Stephen Colbert Late Show


LESTRADE: So how's it going then, fatherhood?
JOHN: Oh good. Great. Yeah, amazing.
LESTRADE: Getting any sleep?
JOHN: Christ no.
LESTRADE: You're at the beck and call of a screaming, demanding baby, woken up at all hours to obey his every whim. (Must feel?) very different.
SHERLOCK: Sorry, what?
JOHN: Yes, well, you know how it is. All you do is clean up their mess, pat them on the head.
SHERLOCK: You two having a little joke?
JOHN: Never a word of thanks. Can't even tell people's faces apart.
SHERLOCK: This is a joke, isn't it.
LESTRADE: Yeah and it's all, "aren't you clever, you're so so clever!"
SHERLOCK: Is it about me?
LESTRADE: Do you think he's winding?
JOHN: You know, I think that really might be it.
SHERLOCK: No, don't get it.

Okay, so is "winding" in this context a British-ism for something? I note Lestrade pronounces it "wen-ding", not "wine-ding". Either way, it's not a proper American English sentence. So don't feel too bad, Sherlock, I don't get the joke either! (Altho I fear it may be a, er, um, flatulence joke, which I hope not, because that's really low humor. :D )

[Pseudonym]

Is it you lunging for his hair?
I'd normally take winding to mean he needs to be burped. Ie he's whiny because he has trapped wind and needs to be burped.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Oh, that would be funny. I hadn't understood that line in the video, so when I read Janine's transcript, I thought maybe it was related to winding someone up (a British term meaning, umm, deliberately getting them all wound up, or something like that). But that would be wine-ding, so no.

 

I assume your interpretation would normally be pronounced with a short "i" so the pronunciation Arcadia mentions must be due to Greg's accent (which I've seen people talk about, though to me he just sounds British).

 

Ha! Sherlock needs to be burped!

[Pseudonym]

I don't think he actually says he's winding, he actually says he needs winding, which makes more sense. Winding (someone up) and winding (a baby) don't really sound hugely different. What have people said about Greg's accent?

 

He mentions in the interview about there being controversy about the royal family being blackmailed by Irene Adler, was that ever an issue? If it was it's nothing I was aware of, didn't think anyone would care much. Especially since it was never implied to be a particular member of the royal family, if it was a young male person there would be an obvious suspect but not so much for a young female person. 

[Fantasy Lover]

*cough* Kate Middleton *cough*

[Pseudonym]

Nah, she's too boring. 

 

Btw, I've since seen other transcripts and they all say it's 'needs winding' too. 

[Carol the Dabbler]

Plus they never said she was actually a member of the royal family, merely (paraphrase) someone of interest to the queen. Could be her lady-in-waiting's niece or anybody. True, Irene did address her as -- what was it? well one of the usual ways of addressing royalty, but that could have been part of their role-playing. And even if she is royal, that takes in a huge territory, cousins and whatnot, so there's certainly no implication that she's anyone in particular -- especially since, as you say, the central royal family is kinda heavy on males.

 

Sorry, I don't recall exactly what they said about Greg's accent. Hang on, I'll have a look-see. Nope, not finding that particular bit, but if you google Lestrade accent, you'll find more commentaries than you'd probably care to read.

[Pseudonym]

Ugh, I don't know if I have the energy. I think I'd come across too many people saying too many stupid things since that is Rupert Graves' actual accent.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Some people seem to be making a distinction. I haven't heard RG talk enough as himself to have an opinion.

[J.P.]

If they said royal male person they could have been in trouble :D

I think they made a deliberate decision to chose an obviously fictive person.

[Pseudonym]

I thought he sounded the same, then I checked on an interview on YouTube and it sounds the same to me. 

 

I think they added in female because otherwise it would obviously be Harry. 

[besleybean]

I'd always assumed Beatrice or Eugenie...

[Pseudonym]

Yup, I was more inclined towards one of those too. Since Beatrice recently slashed Ed Sheeran with a sword she seems the type ;)

[Fantasy Lover]

 

 

Plus they never said she was actually a member of the royal family, merely (paraphrase) someone of interest to the queen. Could be her lady-in-waiting's niece or anybody. True, Irene did address her as -- what was it? well one of the usual ways of addressing royalty, but that could have been part of their role-playing. And even if she is royal, that takes in a huge territory, cousins and whatnot, so there's certainly no implication that she's anyone in particular -- especially since, as you say, the central royal family is kinda heavy on males.

Irene's words were: have you been wicked your Majesty?

[Carol the Dabbler]

Majesty ranks above Highness, doesn't it? So that would narrow it down a good bit -- again assuming that wasn't just role-play.

[Carol the Dabbler]

Actually, Arisen DeVere's transcript says Highness. So that opens it back up. Smart move on the writer's part, I'd say, edging away from lawsuit territory.

[Carol the Dabbler]

I was checking out the proper use of "Highness," and yes it does rank below "Majesty." But more interesting, just "Your Highness" does not seem to be used in the UK as far as I could see. Officially, it's always "Your Royal Highness.". Which apparently puts Irene's line into role-play territory. Or lawsuit-avoidance territory.

[Pseudonym]

Were any of you aware of it being a big deal though?

[Carol the Dabbler]

You mean people being upset? Not that I heard, but then I rarely venture into other social media.

 

In any case, I assume it's random people being upset on unofficial behalf of the royal family, rather than the royals themselves raising a stink. Not really their style, is it?

[Pseudonym]

That's what I meant, the public not the royal family themselves. I don't think it was a big deal, I don't know where he got that from. Ah well, whatever.

[Pseudonym]

Has this been posted yet?

 

[SherlockedCAMPer]

I want to know who Sherlock is talking to in the last scene of that trailer. There are too many options that could get several shipping camps going.

[Pseudonym]

The immediate TJLC reactions on Tumblr were ridiculous and annoying. I wouldn't be surprised if he's just reading something. But yep, I'm intrigued. Also intrigued by the John and Mary scene, she looks like she's telling him she's off to do something he's not happy about. 

 

Someone pointed out that in the baby joke scene John doesn't look at Sherlock once, which is a bit sad :(