Series 4 News

[Arcadia]

Actually, Sunday nights are great for me, I almost never have anything else to do that evening.

[besleybean]

Yeah, I know. Apart from me normally going to bed at 10, because of work the next day, other than chores...nothing else happens on a Sunday in this house.

[Janine M. Adler]

New Series 4 teaser realesed after TAB screening in US. Hurry, Youtube had already took down the teaser due to copyright thingy, Don't know how long it will be up too

https://vimeo.com/194808191

[besleybean]

Thank you and wow...

I do love Mark, but I swear if one more person fro the Sherlock team tells me 'God Bless', I will scream!

That aside...

So this is going to be as gut wrenching a series as we have expected and it does seem to prove that yes they still all want to make more, but at this stage they really do not know if it is going to happen .

Oh, and Mary is going to die- I reckon.

The only thing I meant to add:  Freemans + baby is just uber adorable.

[Fantasy Lover]

I look forward to see Smith, but not The Lying Detective

[Arcadia]

So what I mostly got out of that is that there's an over-arcing story that's coming to an end. Hm... I wonder if their idea of an "end" and mine will match ....

[Inge l-w]

Over-arcing for twelve episodes! Cor blimey!

I personally like the Sunday evening slot: kids allowed to watch the first episode, but if it gets too dark for under-12s, the excuse is there for the next two, that they have school the next day and 'off they pop' to bed, plus the huge advantage of putting me in an excellent mood to face my students throughout the week without having to repress homicidal tendencies at their careless mistakes.

Not to mention the advantage of joining friends here and discussing each episode as the series unfolds! It's all to the good, especially if Mary Dear has disappeared by the end of Episode 3. Naturally, the motherly, patient amphibian moderator will set up a spoiler thread, like in TAB, and it will be Christmas all over again!

[T.o.b.y]

Thanks for that link! I could only watch it on my teeny little phone but it was still cool. Did anybody get who the lady was next to Sherlock in the Baker St scene?

[Pseudonym]

That made me genuinely uneasy, which things about TV shows usually don't.   In more frivolous news Sherlock's hair looks a lot shorter. 

[Boton]

That is quite a link.

 

You know, I've decided I'm not worried.  As long as they do a good job of story telling and don't do anything extraordinarily heinous or out of character (which it doesn't really sound like, at least vis-a-vis anything that would worry me), I hope they just give it their all and leave it in a place they can be strategic about their return, whenever that might be.  

[Arcadia]

Thanks for that link! I could only watch it on my teeny little phone but it was still cool. Did anybody get who the lady was next to Sherlock in the Baker St scene?

The only woman I noticed next to him was reaching for his hair, so I assume it was Claire. Did you spot something I didn't?

 

That made me genuinely uneasy, which things about TV shows usually don't.   In more frivolous news Sherlock's hair looks a lot shorter.

A bit shorter, yeah. But long enough!

 

Uneasy about the the plot, you mean, or uneasy about there being any more seasons? I find I'm getting a bit numb to it all. Not that I'm not looking forward to seeing the new series, but some of the bubbly excitement about this show that I was still feeling as recently as this summer has faded ever since Ben started talking about "feeling like it's complete", or however he said it. Now this. If they're really not going to make much effort to go forward any time soon, I guess it's kinder to start preparing us for that. But it's taking some of the glow off being a fan, for me, somehow.

 

When did they show this, anyway? (And why?) I seem to remember there was a re-release of TAB in theaters recently, was this part of that?

[Pseudonym]

I think it's only now I'm really getting invested. Until now I was just thinking yea, it'll happen at some point in the future, whatever, but now season 4 is actually looming and they keep telling us how traumatic it'll be, and that it'll be the end for a long time if not forever... 

 

I think the reason I don't like it being on a Sunday is I usually need to mull things over before I know what I think of them, most of the episodes I've needed to watch twice before really appreciating them and I can't really do a rewatch on a Monday. Plus with it being New Years Day there's a good chance I'll be spending a fair chunk of the day curled up in bed feeling like death and not really psyched up into a mood to watch anything that requires more than vacant eyes and drooling. I paint such a pretty picture of myself, don't I?

[besleybean]

If the above is alcohol related, then no sympathy!(tee total superiority complex!)

However, I do know what you mean both about the mulling over and needing to watch a few times thing...

[Inge l-w]

What can the 125-year-old spoiler be, that he's talking about? TJLC is NOT canon, whatever the lovely Rebeccah and her wonderful team might think, and what red herrings have we fallen for over the previous series? Come on, Mr Gatiss, leave all the lies by omission or commission to your partner in crime (writing) and don't be a tease!

[Fantasy Lover]

The death of Mary

[Pseudonym]

Not to start the same debate yet again but God I hope so. 

[J.P.]

If you are able to watch BBC online, they usually have the shows for like a week to re-watch. And after the initial release they also add subtitles. (at least it's how I remember it)

[Pseudonym]

It'll be taped on my TiVo even if I watch it 'live', it's just a case of having the time for a rewatch before absorbing everyone elses opinions

[Arcadia]

The only thing is, if it's Mary dying, that doesn't seem very "final" to me ... because then I'd want to know how John is going to recover from such a loss. And what about the baby? Unless they jump forward in time 20 years before killing her, I just can't get around John with a baby but no Mary to help raise her. And I can't picture Sherlock with a child underfoot, even if I bought into Johnlock. And I don't want them killing off a baby just to solve those problems.

 

Aghh!

[Boton]

I'm planning on doing my same practice I did with TAB, and stay off the forums and only look at fan fiction judiciously during the run of new shows, so I can really get my own head canon together and be happy in my own perceptions of the show before I hear what others think.  

 

I watched the first nine episodes at a go on Netflix when I discovered the show, but I started looking for a fandom almost immediately.  So, other than HLV (which I watched every single night for a week), most episodes I had only seen once before plunging into fan theories.  That means that there are still places in some episodes that I don't know if I have my own opinion, one that I've adopted from others after careful consideration, or one that is just the prevailing fan theory regardless of how the bit struck me.

 

With TAB, although I missed talking to you guys, I didn't log in here or look for anything from the fandom until I'd seen the episode four times.  I'm actually much happier with that experience because now I'm sure about where my opinions lie and where they match or diverge from the fandom.  So that's what I plan to do with this season.

 

Regarding a potential end or hiatus, I still think they are mostly jerking our chains; the implication all along has been that Moftiss have five seasons in their heads, and I don't see why that isn't still true.  But I'd rather they tie up some loose ends and let things sit for a while rather than try to film something piecemeal around BC's and MF's busy filming schedules.  Realistically, BC, at least, will see his popularity wane over time, and he will be more available, and MF has always been much better at scheduling things.  I suspect when the whole Marvel thing for BC dies down a bit, the possibility of doing Sherlock right will reemerge.  I really don't want to watch a season 5 they cobbled together out of two weeks here and four weeks there and script juggling to accommodate one star while the other is busy.  Just wait and do it right.

[Arcadia]

I think I sought out a forum in the first place because I couldn't decide what I thought about some things on my own! And HLV simply left me in an emotional whirl. So I doubt if I'll be absent for long; I need all the help I can get processing this show. :D 

 

It would be brilliant if they were jerking our chains, because it's certainly working .... :d

[Janine M. Adler]

Boton said: 

Regarding a potential end or hiatus, I still think they are mostly jerking our chains; the implication all along has been that Moftiss have five seasons in their heads, and I don't see why that isn't still true.  But I'd rather they tie up some loose ends and let things sit for a while rather than try to film something piecemeal around BC's and MF's busy filming schedules.  Realistically, BC, at least, will see his popularity wane over time, and he will be more available, and MF has always been much better at scheduling things.  I suspect when the whole Marvel thing for BC dies down a bit, the possibility of doing Sherlock right will reemerge.  I really don't want to watch a season 5 they cobbled together out of two weeks here and four weeks there and script juggling to accommodate one star while the other is busy.  Just wait and do it right.

 

@Boton, I still think they are planning to do a 5th season, as Mark hinted in the preview (if you go to cinema and watch it more often, there maybe a 5th season).. But I just think we must prepare for a longer hiatus than usual, four or five years maybe. Maybe we expect a special in the middle. who knows? 

But I still believe there will be a 5th one as all of the actors and the writers are still eager to do more. 

[Pseudonym]

I really didn't like TAB the first time I saw it. I'm still not overly keen on the whole bride conspiracy storyline. I wanted the bride to actually be creepy, because I always like the stories where this is a hint of the supernatural that he manages to disprove. 

 

I really think the baby is going to die and Mary is either going to vanish as a result or also die, all of which will take a long time for John to come to terms with, though other than blaming Sherlock I don't see why they wouldn't still be interacting. 

[Boton]

 

I really think the baby is going to die and Mary is either going to vanish as a result or also die, all of which will take a long time for John to come to terms with, though other than blaming Sherlock I don't see why they wouldn't still be interacting. 

 

So, I'm probably about to be proven wrong in 3 weeks, but whatever....

 

I think if they get rid of Mary and/or the baby (which I think is well within the realm of possibility), they almost have to have John either blame Sherlock or the Work for the deaths.  He has to somehow think that if he/they hadn't put Mary in a dangerous position somehow (even if they didn't, even if she volunteered), that she would still be alive. That would create the dramatic tension needed to create a hiatus, and I do believe that, even with all of the modernization and the playing with timeline, they do basically follow ACD canon.  Canon calls for there to be periods where Holmes and Watson aren't working together for whatever reason.

 

If Mary/baby died in a random plane crash on their way back from a holiday in Greece or something, then the natural thing would be for John to seek refuge with Sherlock while he dealt with the loss. That would obviously be a boon for Johnlock fan fiction, but I don't get the sense from any interview I've read or seen over the entire show run that they are trying to get John and Sherlock to "reset" into 221B together relatively easily after making so much effort to get John married with a baby.

 

FWIW, (and yes, I'm bringing up this parallel again, but hiatus boredom strikes....), House managed to do the "Mary Morstan" death and the blaming of "Holmes" and the lack of communication between H&W, and they accomplished the whole thing by using the summer episode break plus about three episodes of the subsequent season.  So, in Sherlock terms, this could easily mean that we wait three years instead of two, with maybe a special hinting at the reconciliation/reunion at the two-year mark.

[besleybean]

You think it will only be three?

 

I think you might be being a bit optimistic.