Episode 4.1 "The Six Thatchers"

[Catherine]

 

God knows what Mark this have in mind.

That is SO true! He must really be enjoying himself right now! :D

 

Yes, i'm sure he enjoys. Especially as he sees us, Sherlock fans, who do not know what and how, and they must suffer another week in anticipation of the new episode ;)

[J.P.]

And the last one for today:

 

 

:P

 

Quoting myself - I have already seen someone mentioning Porlock as something from canon(?)

Does Langdale ring a bell?

 

And am I the only one who thinks Mycroft's choice of codename is hilarious? Ice, ice, baby!

 

Side note - only those named know the truth, what is with our mousey secretary? Does she have no alias? Is she allowed to leak the news? :P

 

She knows about the CAM case.

Maybe she belongs to Moriarty's organization too? That would make Sherlock vulnerable.

[Caya]

I shamelessly copied this from PlaidAdder:

 

"* Code names Antarctica, Langdale, Porlock, and Love. Love=Smallwood, obviously. That leaves us with Langdale, Antarctica, and Porlock. Is Mycroft Antarctica? I mean that would be thematically appropriate. He’s probably not Langdale, because  Langdale, and I will admit I had to look this up, is probably a reference to Langdale Pike, the gossip hound that Sherlock consults in “The Three Gables.” If he’s Porlock, well, that’s bad news, because Porlock is an agent of Moriarty’s who also sometimes acts as an informer for Holmes (Valley of Fear). Personally I think the guy in the pinstripe suit is probably Porlock, but it could be either of them."

[J.P.]

Some assorted answers from the thread.  Sorry I can hardly keep the pace!

During the birth scene I couldn't help thinking of Steven's confession about driving Sue to the hospital. :D
 

This is similar to the problem I am having ... this episode nearly negates the emotional impact of S3. At the end of HLV Sherlock makes this horrific decision to murder a man, basically sacrificing his own life in the process, all to keep Mary safe. A few weeks later, and she's dead anyway. Then what the H did Sherlock go through all that for!???!!?

Not only this, but also the emotional impact on all involved characters. So, we’ve manipulated the tapes, there is no case - but is there no guilt either? Anything telling us that murdering people isn’t something Sherlock does for dinner once a week?

And it really, really bothers me that the issue of „junkie“ Sherlock wasn’t dressed in a serious way.
 

I was one of those that found it really odd! To me, what was odd was that Molly would choose to pass that along, in that manner to Sherlock, as I would have thought she would want to save him the hurt. It felt like the writers were really laying it on thick how terrible Sherlock has it not- like 'oh look, even Molly who was so loyal despises you now...' (and if that truly is it, then I think another out of character suggestion could be made here)

At the second viewing I’ve got the impression that John is in Molly’s flat as they talk, that's why she didn't Sherlock in and cut the dialogue so short. That closed windows, hiding something inside
 

What I do see is EVERYONE's uncharacteristic thoughtlessness when going off to face woman whom they should NOT have been surprised had a gun.

Maybe it’s the recurring motif of arrogance. CAM was too arrogant to check Sherlock and John for guns, Sherlock (and others too) was too arrogant to see the old mousey woman as a direct threat.
 

Did anyone else notice that the lady on the bus already had the note in her hand while she was sitting on the bus and was looking down at it like it had something written on it.

Yes! But even before it felt a bit odd. She looks like acting. I suspect that what we have seen as John’s attempt on cheating might be something completely different. We weren’t shown the full picture yet. John’s texts could be to someone else too.
 

1. John not only seems to have drifted away from Mary, he seems to have drifted from Sherlock too ... he's in the kitchen with Mrs. Hudson instead of in the living room with Sherlock.

Yepp.
 

Now fans are saying the phone number for the girl on the bus translates to TJLC. Arrrrrghhh!!!!!

EVEYRYTHING translates to TJLC. That’s the very essence of it. ;)
 

I remember, I remember. Polish fans have many theories why Poland there appeared

Are there any Polish fora out there?

 

[sherlockandjohn]

 

Now fans are saying the phone number for the girl on the bus translates to TJLC. Arrrrrghhh!!!!!

EVEYRYTHING translates to TJLC. That’s the very essence of it. ;)

 

 

:lol:  My sentiment exactly! It's all a big CONSPIRACY!

[Catherine]

Some assorted answers from the thread.  Sorry I can hardly keep the pace!

 

During the birth scene I couldn't help thinking of Steven's confession about driving Sue to the hospital. :D

 

I remember, I remember. Polish fans have many theories why Poland there appeared

Are there any Polish fora out there?

Yes, but little developed. There are also two groups on Facebook, but the level of discussions ... there is not too high. Therefore, came across a this forum

[Fantasy Lover]

 

 

Now fans are saying the phone number for the girl on the bus translates to TJLC. Arrrrrghhh!!!!!

EVEYRYTHING translates to TJLC. That’s the very essence of it. ;)

My sentiment exactly! It's all a big CONSPIRACY!

Well they call it a conspiracy for a reason ;)

[J.P.]

Found this: actually I noticed this - kind of - but didn't have time to check.

Luckily someone did it for me.

https://avawatson.tumblr.com/post/155342185334/mainly-to-make-sure-i-wasnt-crazy-i-clipped-mary

[J.P.]

 

I wonder if there will be any canaries in S4 :D

Houston, we have canaries!

 

And even more of them than I thought:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Canary_Trainer

 

BTW, now we know what Mycroft does in his free time.

He writes Wikipedia. Probably all of it.

 

[bedelia1984]

 

God knows what Mark this have in mind.

That is SO true! He must really be enjoying himself right now! :D

 

 

I have never heard a writer speak with such glee about eliciting tears from an audience.

 

Kinda spoilery for the next two, from a published interview with the writers:

 

 

 

 

This article makes me extra nervous for the rest of the show, because why will there be so much more crying? Hasn't there been enough? He (Gatiss) has got to be messing with us, right?

 

 

[Catherine]

 

 

I wonder if there will be any canaries in S4 :D

Houston, we have canaries!

 

And even more of them than I thought:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Canary_Trainer

 

BTW, now we know what Mycroft does in his free time.

He writes Wikipedia. Probably all of it.

 

 

haha  all children writing homework to school prescribe something came up Mycroft;)

[J.P.]

Oh, yes, can we take a minute to appreciate the fact that our beloved TOBY made it into the show?

 

(okay, I suppose that T.O.B.Y. is something else, but… erm… anyway.)

[T.o.b.y]

Oh, yes, can we take a minute to appreciate the fact that our beloved TOBY made it into the show?

 

(okay, I suppose that T.O.B.Y. is something else, but… erm… anyway.)

 

Are you talking about me? Really?

 

You know, when I joined the forum, I wanted to be just "Toby", after the dog from The Sign of the Four. But The name was already taken. I had just watched Hounds and so I came up with the acronym, which actually just means: I wanted to be Toby, but someone had the idea first so I'm going to cheat and be Toby anyway.

 

I am seriously thinking about changing my avatar. But I haven't found a good picture of this Toby by himself yet. I'll have to wait for some screencaps to appear online.

 

[Caya]

Will that one do?

 

[J.P.]

You could try here:

http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/sherlock/gallery5/gallery2/gallery.htm

 

or

 

https://www.google.de/search?q=setlock+hound&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5ocqV4KbRAhVD1ywKHVfOBsQQsAQIHQ&biw=1260&bih=541#tbm=isch&q=setlock+dog

[Arcadia]

 

 

I wonder if there will be any canaries in S4 :D

Houston, we have canaries!

 

If I ever knew, I've forgotten, but what is the significance of canaries?

[J.P.]

There was some significance in TPLOSH I was referring to (sherlocking again? sorry!)

 

http://www.sherlockforum.com/forum/topic/923-the-private-life-of-sherlock-holmes-movie/?p=109734

 

it must have been important enough to mention it, but now I forgot.

Need to rewatch. Soon-ish.

[J.P.]

In case someone was wondering about the "kitchen"

http://cumberchicken.tumblr.com/post/155355861937/stepfordgeek-new-sherlock-means-new-wallpaper

[Alex the Dabbler]

Sian Brooke plays the woman who flirted with John.  She played Ophelia opposite Cumberbatch in Hamlet.

 

Mild spoiler for next episode:

 

Soooooo..... Sian Brooke played the woman who flirted with John. She is the woman in red in the next episode. So what is her real purpose and motive?

 

 

 

Yes, Sian Brooke will be in the next episode as the woman in red that some of us saw during filming in London. She was in a lot of scenes with Sherlock.  It will be interesting to see what her role in the other episode(s) will be.

 

[Surelock]

@Ajay shooting light instead of Sherlock, I believe he didn't want to harm 'innocent' people, therefore he chose to escape, but this doesn't go well with the murder, well unless he murdered the victim accidentally, however, I remember throat slitting being mention so I don't think so. I agree it makes as much sense as Mary shooting scene. Pretty careless I would say.

 

 

I think the reason that Ajay didn't shoot Sherlock is because he realised he could use Sherlock to track Mary. Remember Ajay found Mary in Morocco by just following Sherlock. After Sherlock revealed to Ajay that Mary was his friend, Ajay decided to not kill him. 

 

 

And John was the one who suggested putting the tracer in the memory stick. Sooo ...Sherlock told him what he'd learned before he met with Mary

Good catch. I was so focused on where they met (church lair) I didn't focus on the order of the meeting. IF that wasn't a mistake on their part, it raises questions like:

 

Why not meet together w John?

Why not meet all together at 221b?

Again, what is that lair place?

Why did Sherlock seem so surprised Mary would run, given they expected it to the point of planning ahead to trace her?

 

 

1. and 2. In Season 3, Mary said John wouldn't love her if he found out about her past life so I guess Sherlock realised that he was going to have trouble getting information out of Mary if John was present.

 

3. I think this lair may be some sort of meetup place for Sherlock's homeless network.

 

4. No idea; maybe he was acting?

 

I shamelessly copied this from PlaidAdder:

 

"* Code names Antarctica, Langdale, Porlock, and Love. Love=Smallwood, obviously. That leaves us with Langdale, Antarctica, and Porlock. Is Mycroft Antarctica? I mean that would be thematically appropriate. He’s probably not Langdale, because  Langdale, and I will admit I had to look this up, is probably a reference to Langdale Pike, the gossip hound that Sherlock consults in “The Three Gables.” If he’s Porlock, well, that’s bad news, because Porlock is an agent of Moriarty’s who also sometimes acts as an informer for Holmes (Valley of Fear). Personally I think the guy in the pinstripe suit is probably Porlock, but it could be either of them."

 

Mycroft is more than likely Antartica. Remember Moriarty's nickname for Mycroft was 'The Iceman'.

[J.P.]

Why did Sherlock seem so surprised Mary would run, given they expected it to the point of planning ahead to trace her?

 

Acting. But it didn't really occured to me before you mentioned it. They planned it, or at least it was a possibility they took care of.

 

Too much to think of, not enough time sleep. But I planned a day off for next Monday and a week after TFP.  :D

[Arcadia]

Yeah, I'm really glad I had the week off. Not sure how I'm going to fare after the next two episodes!!!!

It occurred to me that maybe they gave John a new hairdo to make him look more like someone going through a midlife crisis. I still would have liked to have seen some indication of time going by before it changed, though. Why that bothers me so much, I don't know, but it does.

 

There was a little clip of the filming of the christening, where Mark says several months had gone by at that point. But I can't find the link again, sorry.

[sfmpco]

More Easter eggs in the episode:

 

https://www.inverse.com/article/25858-sherlock-six-thatchers-easter-eggs-references-season-4-conan-doyle

[J.P.]

 

Toby is also a bit indecisive, which is a reference to the book version of the dog, too. As Watson, Doyle writes that Toby was, “the very picture of canine indecision.”

Maybe the dog knows his ACD better than the writers. :D

 

ETA: sorry for my typos and misspellings. My orthography cannot keep up with my thoughts. And I don't have time to check why the spellchecker doesn't work on my shiny new Firefox.

[J.P.]

How it is possible that people come with such elaborate theories when I hadly could re-watch the episode. And it's not that they are not on social media. They are.

http://skulls-and-tea.tumblr.com/post/155360409151/people-do-not-change-how-they-respond-in-crisis